I want for so many years the Tabor. But like so many time's on this forum ... will she come and wil it come in 2019 ... There is no info.
I go to Amiga 34 in Germany ( i am from Belgium ) and there is the Vampire 4 to buy.
I now that the Vampire is for classic software and the Tabor for os4. It is verry different.
But i have my powerbook with Morphosss 3.11. and now i am starting to doubt ...

I have the following questions:

- What are the pro ans contra of the Vampire V4
- Can i boot with the HDMI or do is use still a 15KHZ monitor.
_ I sepose it is now problem to use Amiga os 3.XX and not arros.
- What is the speed comparing The Vampire V2 and the Vampira V4
- How can i use internet, i understand that the ethernet driver is not ready???

any sugestion or advise welcome ....

Johan

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Will it support HDMI at 1080p50hz and integer scaling for games? Because the MiSTer does that and is great.

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@dirkzwager

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- What are the pro ans contra of the Vampire V4

Compared to what and to do what?

Want to run old games, Minimig, FPGArcarde and even UAE may be better option.

Want to run 68k apps, your PowerBool does just fine (and there is UAE)

Want something "NG", Vampire is (and will continue to be) the least attractive fork.

Want "classic" HW, only real classic is real classic

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@Kronos

One of your useful posts then, Kronos.

Vampire isn't, and not supposed to be, NG. Instead, the standalone is meant, as you very well know, to be a replacement for one of our aging classic systems, as are Minimig, MiST, MiSTer, etc and a pretty fast one which will only improve.

Whether you can compare it to a Classic system is down to opinion, isn't it?

@dirkzwager

It's going to come with AROS but that doesn't stop anyone putting OS3.1, 3.1.4, 3.5 or 3.9 on it - if you have the skills and patience to do so

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@OldAmigan

the skills to put os 3.xx, i don't now how but on the NET, there is perhaps a tuturiol.
For me, it is like classic. I now it is not a real " amiga " but in 2005 or 2006 Apple is going from PPC to Intel and a some say it is not a real Mac any more.
But al works fine and great.
I have al ready the Pi with amiga 3.9 and i have a lot of problems with the xbox 360 controller. Amiga games d'ont work for me with a keybord. And a lot of times it just d'ont work.
But that is a problem of me. I see peaple where it works great on youtube.


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OldAmigan wrote: @Kronos One of your useful posts then, Kronos. Vampire isn't, and not supposed to be, NG. Instead, the standalone is meant, as you very well know, to be a replacement for one of our aging classic systems, as are Minimig, MiST, MiSTer, etc and a pretty fast one which will only improve. Whether you can compare it to a Classic system is down to opinion, isn't it? @dirkzwager It's going to come with AROS but that doesn't stop anyone putting OS3.1, 3.1.4, 3.5 or 3.9 on it - if you have the skills and patience to do so

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@Kronos

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Kronos wrote: @dirkzwager Quote: - What are the pro ans contra of the Vampire V4 Compared to what and to do what?

That is a good qustion.
It is a anser for me personel but how mutch wil i use the vampire? Dificult to now ...

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@OldAmigan

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OldAmigan wrote: @Kronos One of your useful posts then, Kronos. Vampire isn't, and not supposed to be, NG.

*shrug*

Point it is useless as "NG" but yet you will find people claiming it to be NG....

Whatever it is supposed to be, there is always something better, hence my reply.

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@dirkzwager

Like you, I was hoping for the Tabor, plus I'd like a Vampire in one of my Amigas. Also, I'm heading for Amibian on a Pi.

I don't know whether I have the skills to put AmigaOS on any of the above! Fun trying, though, and there's usually help on the forums.

@kronos

Maybe not better but more suitable for certain people, perhaps

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@Kronos

The only useful full environment for NG is Hollywood and it runs on Vampire v2 just fine with the FPU.

You have to think, what I'm I going to use this for. NG Amiga systems should mostly be for how most use their computers today. Will it do that Job? Nothing close and never Will. With Vanp you have a high end classic, fun system. Play 1000s of games and run all kind of scene prods. There are even quality releases today.

v4 has not chips made by Commodore.
custom chips implentation in v4 was made from scratch.
so it is not classic. It is 68k NG.
Games heavily depends on custom chips.
For games is better to buy original Amiga 500 from Commodore and v2 for it.

@ppcamiga1

Where you get that from. WinUAE emulate A500 quite perfect. Vampire should do it even better. Its is at least A1200 you should have as lots are made for the AGA chip and 020 or better.

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@ppcamiga1

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For games is better to buy original Amiga 500 from Commodore and v2 for it.

when i see this youtube, then are there a lot of games what playing perfect on the Vampire v4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87bCG-6PKL8

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@nikosidis

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nikosidis wrote: You have to think, what I'm I going to use this for. NG Amiga systems should mostly be for how most use their computers today. Will it do that Job? Nothing close and never Will. With Vanp you have a high end classic, fun system. Play 1000s of games and run all kind of scene prods. There are even quality releases today.

Yes you are richt.
I use my Morph with fun, i have al so my 500+, but software on disk is many times corrupt, al my disk's are old.

What i really want is a Tabor ( i think ???, i have on this point now also doubt, there is not one tabor on the market and there in zero, zero news) ( i d'ont understand why there is now news, how difficult can that be ... )
and because i go tho Amiga 34 and the news about the vampire ... i think it is perhaps al so nice.

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@dirkzwager

Maybe no news, but the Tabor was running at the Gamescom 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnaM6SHQdeA&feature=player_embedded

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@nikosidis

do not feed the troll

@bennymee

Still no sound driver one month ago! Wake us up when it"s done!

Why is that considered progress soooo many years on!

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@nikosidis

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nikosidis wrote: Where you get that from. WinUAE emulate A500 quite perfect. Vampire should do it even better.

Minimig AGA or WinUAE does it cheaper.

The Vampire V4 might be the fastest AGA machine around, but it is more interesting if you want to run RTG software on it and have an illusion of what could have been an Amiga back in 1998,

@dirkzwager

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in 2005 or 2006 Apple is going from PPC to Intel and a some say it is not a real Mac any more.

Isn't that just like what they said when Amiga was going from 68k to PPC?

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recedent wrote: ... when Amiga was going from 68k to PPC?

Amiga never went to PPC