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Hypex 
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 31-Oct-2019 16:17:20
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@Xenic

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Over a year ago my ISP informed me that they were switching IMAP and the POP3 server would be deactivated. They did provide the option of switching to a secure POP3 port.


Sounds like they went back on their word. Telling you POP3 would be deactivated then giving another POP3 option.

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I switched to the secure POP3 port and set YAM to use SSL/TLS which has been working ever since. I switched POP3 ports at GMail & Yahoo and started using YAM SSL/TLS. Only the latest dev version of YAM works because it supports the latest AmiSSL


Ah yes, another YAMism. Only the dev version works. I've also set it up to receive Yahoo and GMail. But not to send with it. Actually after having a looks YAM looks too complicated to setup that way. User settings in one window. Email config in another section. SMTP in another tab. Makes it hard to define one account with all these settings you can pick from.

This is funny. YAM just crashed in the background. I tried to test a server but it didn't respond. Closed the window and thought that was that. Now it tells me there is a seever error and crashes on thread 2. Clean up in thread 2.

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At that time both GMail and Yahoo had email settings to allow email from unrecognized email clients which they considered insecure. The problem was that everytime I used the GMail & Yahoo servers with YAM I got a warning email stating that a suspicious email was received. Since Verizon bought Yahoo the email settings no longer even have a setting to allow suspicious emails to be downloaded in your email client.


So that's what happened to that. I made use of that for a while. No wonder it broke.

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I think YAM will become useless if the devs don't stop focusing on minor changes to the MUI libraries that YAM uses and focus on implementing IMAP and possibly spoofing as accepted email clients. I currently have no problems sending emails to GMail addresses.


I just sent myself an email. Both plain and with RTF. It marked both as spam. I won't be able to email myself a Gmail. Yahoo still works. But either way I can't send emails from another address.

One major problem YAM has is the inability to look at pictures. They should be displayed with the email. Instead it gives you a list. The list is useless. Double clicking a picture just gives an error that MultiView can't be opened. I thought MUI supported images.

It also needs HTML. Almost every email looks crap. HTML is a type of Multipurpose Internet Mail Extension. YAM has never supported it. It's a mail extension by definition, text/html. There is no escaping any longer.

Just because my ISP web mail doesn't even know what HTML is, even though it is written using HTML, is not an excuse for YAM to not know it. Seriously it doesn't display them by default, I have to click on he HTML attachment.

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P.S. If you google 'RTF mime' you will find that there are several MIMES in use for RTF. You might try manually setting a different MIME for RTF in YAM (such as text/rtf).


Okay thanks. Just tried. GMail stil rejects it. But it doesn't like me.

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Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 3-Nov-2019 14:46:16
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@jacadcaps

Good work. So what is the source for Iris? If it needed ObjC and a MUI framework to function.

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Xenic 
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 3-Nov-2019 16:19:50
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@Hypex

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One major problem YAM has is the inability to look at pictures. They should be displayed with the email. Instead it gives you a list. The list is useless. Double clicking a picture just gives an error that MultiView can't be opened. I thought MUI supported images.

It works for me. Check out your YAM Configuration/MIME settings. Here is what I have for the default viewer (bottom of MIME page): SYS:Utilities/Multiview PUBSCREEN Internet "%s".
If you have replaced Multiview with Multiviewer then your setting should be the path to Multiviewer.

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It also needs HTML. Almost every email looks crap. HTML is a type of Multipurpose Internet Mail Extension. YAM has never supported it. It's a mail extension by definition, text/html. There is no escaping any longer.

It would be nice to have HTML built in but I run YAM & Odyssey on a seperate 'Internet' screen and have my YAM MIME settings send the HTML to Odyssey if I double-click the HTML in an email message. My text/html MIME 'Viewer' setting looks like this: OpenURL FILE T:html.html `copy *>NIL: QUIET %s T:html.html`. Note the hash marks around the copy part. AmigaDOS executes that before calling Odyssey. I have openurl.library installed and have the openurl command in C: but URLOpen might work too.

I temporarily changed my GMAIL setting to accept messages from unknown clients (I think GMail calls them 'unsecure') and sent a message to my GMail address and and was able to D/L it with YAM (along with some warning messages from Google). I think Linux Thunderbird messages might be accepted so it could be interresting to check what Thunderbird has for client ID in a raw email and try editing a raw email in YAM and change the client settings to those used by Thunderbird. (At your own risk of course )

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kolla 
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 4-Nov-2019 6:13:36
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Would think this could be used...

http://aminet.net/package/dev/mui/MCC_HTMLview-13.4

But heads up - HTML emails may have inline links to remote resources, and this can be used against you

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Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 4-Nov-2019 8:30:34
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@Hypex

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So what is the source for Iris? If it needed ObjC and a MUI framework to function.


MUI.framework was designed to make Iris possible.

Iris is a fully native application written entirely by me (50k+ lines of code and over 300 classes) in ObjectiveC++.

That said, making it possible required modifying intuition, MUI (reference counting, UTF-8 support), the SDK (to enable objc), Odyssey (stripping it down to leave just a plain webview), porting vmime (by Nicho), writing cryptostorage.library (by Piru).

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Hypex 
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 5-Nov-2019 14:17:37
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@Xenic

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It works for me. Check out your YAM Configuration/MIME settings. Here is what I have for the default viewer (bottom of MIME page): SYS:Utilities/Multiview PUBSCREEN Internet "%s".If you have replaced Multiview with Multiviewer then your setting should be the path to Multiviewer.


Thanks. I took another look. I have MultiViewer installed but still like to use MultiView. By default YAM has the "%s" first which is fine. But I found a problem with the PUBSCREEN setting. It was set to YAM when I had called the screen Email. If it had told me that instead of telling me there was an 8009 error running MultiView I would have spotted it straight away. I hate those cryptic errors.

I found PNG isn't set up nor GIF. So set that up. Strangely JPG as set so it had the extension htm.

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It would be nice to have HTML built in but I run YAM & Odyssey on a seperate 'Internet' screen and have my YAM MIME settings send the HTML to Odyssey if I double-click the HTML in an email message.


I already had a text/html set up from somewhere. It actually worked. Set to use MultiView.

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I temporarily changed my GMAIL setting to accept messages from unknown clients (I think GMail calls them 'unsecure') and sent a message to my GMail address and and was able to D/L it with YAM (along with some warning messages from Google). I think Linux Thunderbird messages might be accepted so it could be interresting to check what Thunderbird has for client ID in a raw email and try editing a raw email in YAM and change the client settings to those used by Thunderbird.


I can actually unspam myself and so I can email myself. If I want to be a nomad no mates emailng to myself. But I didn't bother because it doesn't help when emailing other people. Sure I can tell them to check the spam folder but it isn't always obvious and they still might not see it.

Could be interesting to see what Thunderbird uses. Was always interested where all those ID numbers came from. The most hacking I've done is to change the From field in YAM.

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OneTimer1 
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 5-Nov-2019 17:22:59
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@Rose

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Rose wrote:
@Hypex

RTF has been used as attack vector for nearly decade.

http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-3333 was probably first one in the wild.

Great example of "If you think that something is safe, it doesn't mean that it is."



Read again in the link you presented us.

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Stack-based buffer overflow in Microsoft Office XP SP3, Office 2003 SP3, Office 2007 SP2, Office 2010, Office 2004 and 2008 for Mac, Office for Mac 2011, and Open XML File Format Converter for Mac ...


The problem is Microsoft not RTF, they are all using the same code and all have the same problems.

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Rose 
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 5-Nov-2019 17:41:27
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@OneTimer1
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Stack-based buffer overflow in Microsoft Office XP SP3, Office 2003 SP3, Office 2007 SP2, Office 2010, Office 2004 and 2008 for Mac, Office for Mac 2011, and Open XML File Format Converter for Mac ...


The problem is Microsoft not RTF, they are all using the same code and all have the same problems.


Yeah, I get that reading is hard. Look it again also Mac is vulnerable. And that was just a list at time when vulnerability was found.

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jacadcaps 
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 5-Nov-2019 18:34:07
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From: Poland

@Hypex

Trying to "spoof" as Thunderbird will not help with GMail - what really matters is how you authenticate. Your client would need to support OAuth2 for those problems to really go away.

Last edited by jacadcaps on 05-Nov-2019 at 06:34 PM.

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K-L 
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 5-Nov-2019 20:07:59
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@jacadcaps

SimpleMail has no problem with Gmail. I'm using it daily

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Hypex 
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 6-Nov-2019 14:53:25
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@kolla

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Would think this could be used...


Looks promising. But left to gather dust. Description is strange. Replaces MCC_TextEditor? Really? I replace the TextEditor with this HMTL viewer and all my YAM HTML problems go away?

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Hypex 
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 6-Nov-2019 14:59:30
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@jacadcaps

Wow that is some major work. Amazing to think how much work goes into an application like an email client. But today is a complicated world.

Is Iris fairly tied to MorphOS? Or are ports to other Amiga flavours possible in the future?

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Hypex 
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 6-Nov-2019 15:07:59
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@OneTimer1

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The problem is Microsoft not RTF, they are all using the same code and all have the same problems.


I was copying some text from a PDF and pasting it into Word. I needed to retain formatting so used paste special. It listed RTF as the one with the formatting intact. So, internally, even Microsoft uses RTF.

I wonder if I could infect Windows by copying a corrupt text and pasting it as RTF? Are all stylised text in danger of being corrupted? Don't open that email. Don't even look at it. And for Microsake don't copy and paste any text, it could contain a virus, it could be RTF.

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Hypex 
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 6-Nov-2019 15:11:53
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@K-L

Is there a migrating from YAM to SimpleMail guide around? I might need it. Installed on my X1000 but I'm still being a fan of YAM.

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K-L 
Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 6-Nov-2019 17:43:28
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@Hypex

I don't think so unfortunately...

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Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 7-Nov-2019 4:12:55
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@Hypex

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Is there a migrating from YAM to SimpleMail guide around?

Sorry, can't help with a guide but see kt_scripts for AREXX scripts that let you view html email in Odyssey at the press of a key with SimpleMail. A couple other scripts as well.
kt_scripts at OS4Depot link

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Re: Is this the end for using YAM and SimpleMail as an email client?
Posted on 7-Nov-2019 21:50:14
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@Hypex

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Or are ports to other Amiga flavours possible in the future?


I think it's unlikely that there'd be anyone willing to port it given the extensive list of dependencies.

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