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Swoop 
Pagestream and OS4.1 crash
Posted on 1-Dec-2019 23:28:00
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It seems as if I am running out of ram when running Pagestream, and updating a kanji dictionary I am compiling.

I set up workbench to display amount of fast ram, and the amount used.

It would seem that once I have my A1XE booted i am using 190mb.
Once I have pagestream loaded I am using 253mb
and once I load my 400 page dictionary I am running at around 300mb.

Is there anything I can stop loading at boot-up, that would allow me more working ram. I am running the enhancer software for my machine.
I believe I have a radeon 750(?) gfx card, as well.

Thanks in advance for any help.

I hadn't used it for a while as I thought i had lost a hard drive.
Then last month my psu died and having got one from Amigakit, hey presto,
I have access to both hard drives again.

Last edited by Swoop on 02-Dec-2019 at 11:22 AM.

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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 ram usage.
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 7:51:37
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@Swoop

I would temporarily
- disable everything you don't need in WBStartup,
- check User-Startup and disable what is not needed
- Set WBPattern Prefs and GUI Prefs to default (RAmiga D maybe, shortcuts are not the same in every language unfortunately)
- reboot your AmigaOne XE

Before you change the prefs, with this little script you can save the actual prefs, and copy them back when you are done with the project.
Just copy and paste to NotePad, save to RAM: and execute the script.

Quote:

copy clone s:user-startup "s:User-Startup_`date lformat %Y-%m-%d-%H%M%S`"
copy clone envarc:sys/wbpattern.prefs "envarc:sys/wbpattern_`date lformat %Y-%m-%d-%H%M%S`.prefs"
copy clone envarc:sys/gui.prefs "envarc:sys/gui_`date lformat %Y-%m-%d-%H%M%S`.prefs"
copy clone envarc:sys/wbstartup.prefs "envarc:sys/wbstartup_`date lformat %Y-%m-%d-%H%M%S`.prefs"

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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 ram usage.
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 9:01:19
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@Amigo1

Thanks a lot I will give it a try

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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 ram usage.
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 11:24:51
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I have set up workbench to display total ram and ram used.
It shows I have 512mb ram and pagestream blows out at around 300mb ram usage.

This is the first part of the crash log

Quote:

Crash log for task "PageStream4"
Generated by GrimReaper 53.19
Crash occured in module kernel at address 0x01412A48
Type of crash: unknown exception
Alert number: 0x01000009

Register dump:
GPR (General Purpose Registers):
0: 0141CD50 64334C70 00000000 01412A60 645A2B20 01C9223C 01DC3768 01DC3788
8: 6FFAA3C0 00000001 00000000 01C30000 26822882 00000000 64338FFC 642BA004
16: 193C0C01 642BA0DC 8000000E 8000000D 8000000C 01E70000 FFFFFFFF 01DC65B2
24: 80000008 FFD60001 00000001 64334C70 01DC65B2 645A2B20 645A2B20 01CB25DC


FPR (Floating Point Registers, NaN = Not a Number):
0: 0 240 35 240
4: 2 261.8 17.8 43
8: 936 4.5036e+15 145.8 255
12: nan 65536 4.91004e-241 8.0404e+205
16: 2.69152e-21 2.97697e-309 3.69857e+297 2.55021e-218
20: nan 0 0 -4.5036e+15
24: 0.5 0.5 1 3.07734e+244
28: -6.86033e-300 5.1686e+15 1.093e-304 1.18482e-303

FPSCR (Floating Point Status and Control Register): 0x82004000


SPRs (Special Purpose Registers):
Machine State (msr) : 0x0000B030
Condition (cr) : 0x629DCDA0
Instruction Pointer (ip) : 0x01412A48
Xtended Exception (xer) : 0x01424AF8
Count (ctr) : 0x00000000
Link (lr) : 0x00000000
DSI Status (dsisr) : 0x014443D4
Data Address (dar) : 0x00000000



680x0 emulated registers:
DATA: 00000000 00000000 00000308 000003F8 01011480 00AB6300 00000004 00000026
ADDR: 65C4A800 62852284 62C223FA 62852288 660BCB9C 62852288 01DC65B2 64334CF8
FPU0: 0 0 0 0
FPU4: 0 0 0 0



Symbol info:
Instruction pointer 0x01412A48 belongs to module "kernel" (HUNK/Kickstart)

Stack trace:
native kernel module kernel+0x00012a48
native kernel module kernel+0x0001cd58
native kernel module kernel+0x000193f8
native kernel module kernel+0x0005e1c4
0x660BCB9C symbol not available
0x4EAEFDC6 symbol not available

PPC disassembly:
01412a40: 60632a60 ori r3,r3,10848
01412a44: 44000002 sc
*01412a48: 4e800020 blr
01412a4c: 7c641b78 mr r4,r3
01412a50: 3c600141 lis r3,321



Is there anything I can do at my end?

Last edited by Swoop on 02-Dec-2019 at 11:27 AM.

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Swoop 
Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 ram usage.
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 11:26:13
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System information from the same crashlog

Quote:

System information:

CPU
Model: IBM PowerPC 750 FX V2.2
CPU speed: 800 MHz
FSB speed: 133 MHz
Extensions: performancemonitor

Machine
Machine name: AmigaOne
Memory: 524288 KB
Extensions: bus.pci bus.agp


I have just looked at kickstart, and the Hunk.library.kmod is v53.4 (02/05/2011)
is there an updated one?

Last edited by Swoop on 02-Dec-2019 at 11:33 AM.

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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 crash
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 11:56:12
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@Swoop

You could contact the developer of Pagestream and see if they would be willing to help you.

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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 crash
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 12:11:38
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@DiscreetFX

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You could contact the developer of Pagestream and see if they would be willing to help you.

That would IMHO be rather pointless, as Deron Kazmaier stopped responding to his paying customers yonks ago.

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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 crash
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 15:06:37
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@Trixie

It is worth to try. I got a reply from him on mid June 2019.

I wish there were enough people to motivate him to continue development of the OS4 version..

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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 ram usage.
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 15:13:35
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@Swoop

Quote:

Swoop wrote:
System information from the same crashlog

Quote:

System information:

CPU
Model: IBM PowerPC 750 FX V2.2
CPU speed: 800 MHz
FSB speed: 133 MHz
Extensions: performancemonitor

Machine
Machine name: AmigaOne
Memory: 524288 KB
Extensions: bus.pci bus.agp


I have just looked at kickstart, and the Hunk.library.kmod is v53.4 (02/05/2011)
is there an updated one?


maybe there is, but I have a feeling OS4 has become an OS for developers and beta tester only..

Are you using the 68k version of PageStream? It is the one which works more reliably. All PPC versions are very unstable.

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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 ram usage.
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 15:47:23
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@Amigo1

I dont think this is just AmigaOS 4.1 related. The Windows, macOS & MorphOS versions have seen little love over the years. Ive paid for several versions of Pagestream many years ago but updates have been few and far between. Hope springs eternal though. I wish it would get the much needed updates it deserves. That would make long term customers happy. I wonder what the installed user base of Pagestream is? Its still listed for sale new. Is anyone buying it in 2019? Pagestream was a brilliant and affordable DTP program for many years. I hope it can return to its formal glory one day but Im not holding my breath.

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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 crash
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 16:54:18
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@Swoop

If really the amount of memory the problem, try to use the VMM.
If you have 4.1 FE as your signature suggests, you can create a SWAP partition.
PageStream 4.1.5.6 works well with it. I was used to use it with only 256MB for a long time on the uA1.

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Posted on 2-Dec-2019 17:45:25
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@DiscreetFX

Quote:

DiscreetFX wrote:
@Amigo1

I wonder what the installed user base of Pagestream is? Its still listed for sale new. Is anyone buying it in 2019? .


When it is stable to use, perhaps i wil buy it.
It is +- 100 euro.
For good software it is ok.
Any morph user and Pagestream?
An is it stable to use?
I think it is a good software app to use as a text writer.
I use now Pages from apple with DTP possibilities. because i think there is not so much choice for text writers with graphic possibilities.

Many years ago i try it on my A4000 but it was not so easy to use. Learning and time ...
I never use it again .


Last edited by dirkzwager on 02-Dec-2019 at 05:48 PM.

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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 crash
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 18:12:13
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From: Long Riston, East Yorkshire

@Lazi

Quote:
Lazi wrote:
@Swoop

If really the amount of memory the problem, try to use the VMM.
If you have 4.1 FE as your signature suggests, you can create a SWAP partition.
PageStream 4.1.5.6 works well with it. I was used to use it with only 256MB for a long time on the uA1.


Hi Lazi

Can you tell me how to set up VMM
i am okay with setting up a seperate patition, but how do I utilise it?

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 ram usage.
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 18:14:02
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@Amigo1

Pagestream 4.1.5.6 )1/30/03)

So 68k, I presume


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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 crash
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 20:04:14
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@Amigo1

Quote:
I wish there were enough people to motivate him to continue development of the OS4 version.

Shouldn't his motivation rather come from the fact that people have paid for products that he never delivered in a working state???

@DiscreetFX

Quote:
Its still listed for sale

Which is plain deceptive advertising, because what the PageStream website doesn't tell you is that regardless of platform, PgS 5 is far from being finished.

@dirkywager

Quote:
I think it is a good software app to use as a text writer.

It is a page layout-oriented DTP program. As such it is a bit quirky to use as a word processor.

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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 ram usage.
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 21:09:02
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@Swoop

Disable JIT for this app.

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Posted on 2-Dec-2019 23:29:46
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@Swoop

You have to create a few GB partition with MediaToolbox and set the filesystem type to SWAP.
This partition will not shown on WB, nor need to be formatted.
After reboot, the system will utilize that for memory swapping. You can check it if for example %mvum is added to the WB screen title bar by the Workbench prefs.

Unfortunately I have not found any official information on that to be linked.
So this is just how I remember the way I installed the system many years ago.

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Re: Pagestream and OS4.1 ram usage.
Posted on 2-Dec-2019 23:31:24
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@kamelito

You are definitively wrong on that. PageStream 4.1.5.6. runs well with Petunia (JIT).
However TextFX and BME not working at all, and AFAIR disabling JIT will not helps there.

Last edited by Lazi on 02-Dec-2019 at 11:34 PM.

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@Lazi

AFAIR reality so one must try no?

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@Trixie

Quote:
[quote]Shouldn't his motivation rather come from the fact that people have pai


Totally agree. I mean, if it was just a demo version to query interest, where it was perceived to be lacking then fair enough. But to do it for paying customers who have funded an updated working version, that's not on.

It's like the Holger Kruse Miami debacle all over again. Did somethng tick him off?

He doesn't have time now and just left the site running as is? Like with AEON. Sometimes I wonder.

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