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OldFart 
Re: New X5000 system
Posted on 1-Jan-2021 9:55:19
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Welcome back to the scene! And enjoy a healthy and prosperous 2021!

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This is the list that i intend to buy: - X5000 motherboard obviously ( includes AmigaOS4.1FE and Enhancer plus) - 2x HX316C10FW/4 = 8GB DDR3/1600MHz - Radeon R7 graphics card.


That's a nice 'wish list' you've come up with.

If you intend to use it only for Amiga OS4.n-purposes then you can skip the 8GB memory as Amiga can only address 2GB.
Radeon R7 if you're into the upper region of the graphics scene then OK, otherwise take something like a 6450. Such a card provides you with VGA, HDMI and DVI-ports.
I've got such a card installed and hooked up to a Philips Brilliance 240B (1200 x 1920) monitor.
A Radeon R7 requires you to buy that driversuite as developed by Hans de Ruyter in order to make full use of its potential. Available from A-Eon's website.

I would go for an additional SiI (= Silicon Image) 3112, a SiI3114 or a SiI3512 expansion. They typically occupy on of the available PCI-slots and provide you with some additional SATA-ports. The x5000 falls a bit short on such ports.
Maybe another model/make will provide you with IDE-ports so that you can use the HD from your SAM440. Such cards won't typically break the bank, but are rather hard to find as they are New Old Stock products, which, when sold out, will never be available again.

And avoid being pennywise in the PSU-department: go for a (semi-)modular unit of some 450Watt at most. These too won't break the bank.

I wish you good luck on your endeavours!

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Re: New X5000 system
Posted on 2-Jan-2021 9:47:21
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@OldFart

With the new Emotion 1.9 update the Radeon RX cards are more attractive with GPU supported video decoding (depending on the release of Enhancer 2.0 offcourse).

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Re: New X5000 system
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The only problem which is somehow big for some of us: Radeon RX has no support for classic Warp3D (while RadeonHD has it). So all minigl stuff we have (games/demos and co): fail.

There is some hack done by Daniel where he packed up gl4es inside the library which translates all the calls of minigl to gl4es, and this kind of works for 70% of software, but the other 30% didn't works. It is also pretty unstable: often crashes, you can't run more than 2 minigl apps at the same time, etc.

So if one does not need the support of old warp3d/minigl stuff, then sure, Radeon RX is a better choice today. But if one needs it, then RadeonHD still.

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Re: New X5000 system
Posted on 3-Jan-2021 9:08:24
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@Rob

The cirrus logic WM8776 audio codec on the Tabor/A1222 is also not recommended for new designs. This often means that EOL is around the corner.
But I identified this codec on a photo from 2017. So it might have been replaced on the plus version.

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geen_naam 
Re: New X5000 system
Posted on 3-Jan-2021 9:10:39
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Haven't placed the order for the X5000 yet. I wait for the brexit/eu store clarification.

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geen_naam 
Re: New X5000 system
Posted on 5-Jan-2021 17:54:35
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@geen_naam

Ordered from Amigakit anyways. Import duty for computer (-parts) bought from webstores outside the EU is 0%. VAT in my country is 1% higher than the VAT in the UK. So Brexit costs me 1%.

Customers from EU countries with lower VAT will actually benefit financially from Brexit

Anyways. X5000 is on its way.

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AP 
Re: New X5000 system
Posted on 6-Jan-2021 14:49:39
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@geen_naam: Congratulations and thanks for the info about VAT.

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geen_naam 
Re: New X5000 system
Posted on 6-Jan-2021 15:16:43
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@AP

Maybe we should wait for the added customs delay before you thank me.

Info for eu citizens about the VAT to anyone who wants to know: within the EU, you pay the VAT that is applicable in the country where the webshop is located.
For webshops outside the eu, you pay the VAT that is applicable in your own country. So in this case Amikit didn't charge me the VAT. Instead I have to pay VAT to customs in my country upon arrival. VAT is charged over cost of goods+import duty+shipment. As told, import duty over compoters and computer parts is currently 0%.

You also have to pay the cost of customs clearance. This is 4.99 euro to 17.50 euro in my country and depends on the delivery service. This is barely noticeable on the price of a X5000. So this is something to keep in mind if you want to buy cheap items (>22 euro).

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Brexit and the Bitter English Generation
Posted on 6-Jan-2021 15:21:24
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Anyone who thinks that EU citizens will benefit from the Brexit disaster is in for an ugly surprise. Although English and Walish stores can't enforce the UK sales tax any more, goods that are gray-imported into the Union are subject to taxation once they cross the outer border. Chances are that union states will tax any incoming goods by the local tax rate - and likely add an administrative surcharge on top of that.

The only people that Brexit favors are the bitter, old yellowed teethed generation that dreams of the so called haydays when Ye Old World was a major nation that "ruled" the seas. Well, until they realize that the world has moved on. It'll be a beautiful, long, bitter sweet symphony [cue audio].

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Re: Brexit and the Bitter English Generation
Posted on 6-Jan-2021 15:47:30
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@Petah

Don't turn this into a pro/con Brexit discussion, thank you.

It was supposed to be informative to anyone hesitating to buy from Amigakit at the moment.

Fyi: I am not old, I am not bitter and there is nothing wrong with my teeth. Nor are they yellow.

And about bitterness: You should re-read your own comment again. You may act like an EU cheerleader/groupie but this doesn't make you sound less bitter in your comments than the persons you apparently loath.

In the meantime, life after Brexit continues as normal for normal EU citizens like me.

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AP 
Re: New X5000 system
Posted on 6-Jan-2021 17:08:52
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@geen_naam

Quote:

geen_naam wrote:
@AP

Maybe we should wait for the added customs delay before you thank me.


Ok, keep us informed

For me your information about VAT is good to know. From a customers point of view it's not so bad as I was afraid of. I am one of the pre-orders for Tabor/A1222Plus and my fear was, that with the waiting I have to pay much more because of Brexit.

On the other hand I consider to buy a X5000, too. Difficult, because my wive would possibly kill me...

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Petah 
Re: Brexit and the Bitter English Generation
Posted on 6-Jan-2021 18:14:34
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Please allow me to reiterate:

"The only people that Brexit favors are the bitter, old yellowed teethed generation that dreams of the so called haydays when Ye Old World was a major nation that "ruled" the seas."

Of course, this description should be of no concern to anyone but the 51.9% UK citizens who thought they were in favor of leave. Here's a photo that should illustrate the absurdity of this proud moment it in a fair way:

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Rob 
Re: New X5000 system
Posted on 6-Jan-2021 18:16:53
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@OldFart

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A Radeon R7 requires you to buy that driversuite as developed by Hans de Ruyter in order to make full use of its potential. Available from A-Eon's website.


Enhancer is included with all Cyrus+ motherboards and X5000 systems so there's no extra drivers to buy unless you want the SI driver for the old Warp3D API.

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Cheese 
Re: Brexit and the Bitter English Generation
Posted on 6-Jan-2021 19:32:18
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In the meantime, life after Brexit continues as normal for normal EU citizens like me.


Buying a X5000 kinda disqualifies you from being a "normal EU citizen"

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geen_naam 
Re: Brexit and the Bitter English Generation
Posted on 6-Jan-2021 23:07:33
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@Cheese

"x86/Morphos." Takes one to know one.

But buying expensive toys like an X5000 is hardly out of the ordinary compared to buying >500k tv's, >1000 phones, >40k cars, 400k houses etc. Not to mention the money spend on hifi, car tuning, sports gear, fishing gear, old timers, clothes, make-up, jewelery and so on. But millions of EU citizens do so. You can call me decadent, but that is more normal than you think.

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BigD 
Re: New X5000 system
Posted on 7-Jan-2021 0:14:46
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@Petah

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51.9% UK citizens who thought they were in favor of leave.


Why would anything have changed? Only 36% of UK citizens bothered to vote at the last European Election because it MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHO YOU VOTE FOR!!! None of the MEP are actually accountable to us the voters because they were never named representatives elected as personal representatives of the people but syphoned off a proportional representation list where we voted for a party who then put their 1st, 2nd and possibly 3rd choice cronie into a larger more faceless EU-wide party! The 'elected' MEP individuals are pushed forward into a bureaucratic EU system where they collectively act like an upper House of Lords type chamber and debate, amend slightly and ultimately rubber stamp the will and legislation originating from the Commission. The EU Commission is a quango made up of even more unrepresentative cronies and mates of the Heads of State!!!

We are happy to be out of this crooked sick excuse for a democratic institution! We will live and die by our own ingenuity and entrepreneurial drive not by bureaucratic "stronger together" federalist tosh!

Back on topic please!

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Re: Brexit and the Bitter English Generation
Posted on 7-Jan-2021 6:28:52
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@geen_naam

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buying expensive toys like an X5000 is hardly out of the ordinary compared to buying >500k tv's, >1000 phones, >40k cars, 400k houses etc.

Exactly. People often make preposterous investments in their hobbies because they bring them some kind of personal value - a value that is highly individual and cannot be expressed in simple market terms.

The X5000 is horribly expensive, no doubt about that. But I find it quite funny that it so often becomes a target around here, while other obviously insane hobbies - like expanding a Classic system with all sorts of expensive bells and whistles - are hardly ever considered mental.

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Re: Brexit and the Bitter English Generation
Posted on 7-Jan-2021 14:25:24
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@geen_naam

haha, well said bro.. it has become crazy costly with gadget shit you just must have

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Posted on 7-Jan-2021 16:42:00
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@Trixie

Thanks a LOT Trixie.. Now you made me mentally review my classic purchases and I now have a stomach ache..

LOL

AND

Now I am looking once again at the X5000 due to your statement..

OH GAWD

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Skateman 
Re: Brexit and the Bitter English Generation
Posted on 7-Jan-2021 17:07:33
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@Trixie

And lets not forget that a 2000,-- euro PC after 5 years will be worth... 100,-- euro..
But the AmigaOne X5000..... after 5 years... i would say at least 1000,--

Its something special... not perfect...but special



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