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Re: "Amiga" trademark in the U.S.Registered Feb. 16, 2021
Posted on 17-Feb-2021 19:26:16
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@OlafS25

I do care cause I like to see more Amiga users. The mainstream will be interested if they see new products with the Amiga name, logo. First of all as C-64 mini, maxi did with C-64.
It is for sure room for a classic gaming system like Amiga is. It is a great alternative to all the modern stuff.

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Re: "Amiga" trademark in the U.S.Registered Feb. 16, 2021
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from a marketing point of view... yes

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Re: "Amiga" trademark in the U.S.Registered Feb. 16, 2021
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For marketing and all the people that just want to buy products that has the Amiga name on it ;)

All is marketing but you know what I mean. People do not like to use MorphOS or AROS cause it does not bear the Amiga name but still just as Amigalike as OS4 is.

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@nikosidis

yes of course... for some "the name" is more important than anything else. And selling V4 as Amiga 5000 (as example) would certainly help to get public interest

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Re: "Amiga" trademark in the U.S.Registered Feb. 16, 2021
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Colanto seam to me as just the right part to quality control whatever will bear the Amiga brand.


Well it where longs time sense he actually did any major software development, he funded some Tony’s work, but I do remember any beta test program, not what development he did when did write Personal Paint, I doubt test driven development was poplar back then. Anyway, AmigaOS is many components made by many different peoples, under difference contracts. Anyhow just because he has the right to use the name, does not give him access to Hyperion’s DIFF’s (changes). Or Haage & Partner DIFF’s (changes), nor do I see him being able to taking on coordination role for AROS.

So what have here is paper company.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPKdJGY0YyE

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http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2020-07-00032-EN.html


Thanks a lot Pavlor!
Very interesting read, including the Twitter thread

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Re: "Amiga" trademark in the U.S.Registered Feb. 16, 2021
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Who coordinates what exactly at Hyperion?

And what is Hyperion investing in development?

For a long time they rely on devs doing it for free

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Re: "Amiga" trademark in the U.S.Registered Feb. 16, 2021
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@thread

Basically what I reported, but in the form of a news article:

AmigaNews (english]

AmigaNews (german)

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Re: "Amiga" trademark in the U.S.Registered Feb. 16, 2021
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So will Jens and IComp drop all Amiga activities?
Is P96 the "important OS component" that will be added to OS 3.2?
Will Minuous march out of the OS team with high knee steps?
What will happen to Reaction?
Will Ben Hermans invite me for a beer again?

These questions - and many others - may be answered in the next episode of...

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@kolla

You left out Thomas Richter.
Interestingly for some time on EAB, Camilla Boemann has been making the postings concerning 3.2.

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Episode 1245

the big battle ;)

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It looks like amiga.com will finally back up & running soon from this latest news....the OS3.2 thread over at EAB hints that Cloanto/ Amiga Corp. has been 'friendly' with the new OS3.2 release...hmmm

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Re: "Amiga" trademark in the U.S.Registered Feb. 16, 2021
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You left out Thomas Richter.


Haha, yes I did, how could I - how confusing!

Well, according to Gulliver (who has shown great insight into the situation before), Thomas is busy with P96 (because unlike the "disfunctional company" Hyperion (his words), Jens actually _pays_ him for the work) and private projects (MuLibs, COP, ViNCEd etc), and is NOT anymore developing Amiga shell and its immidiate companion components (console handler, execute etc), though he is still considered part of "the team".

Also, it is now february 2021, 3.2 was "just around the corner" for during the fall last year, only a bit of polishing missing... then it came out that an important OS component was to be included as well (which sounds like P96 or Roadshow) and so there has been delays again - so now OS3 is pretty much exactly where OS4 is, with tons of pointless management overhead, instead of the much more prefered model of components being developed and released in their own pace.

Bravo... *slow clap*

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Episode 1245

the big baffle ;)


There, I fixed it for you! :D

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the OS3.2 thread over at EAB hints that Cloanto/ Amiga Corp. has been 'friendly' with the new OS3.2 release...hmmm


That was never the problem - the problem was vast (utterly baseless) hostility against Cloanto by certain OS3.2 developers, some with "threats" (promises?) of leaving the OS team if Cloanto "wins". Personally, I say "good riddance, Reaction", but others may see it differently.

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I am not sure if that is true

In any case drama is all what is left today

Regarding Cloanto and 3.1.4 (or 3.2) I think I read somewhere that there is interest to come to some sort of agreement and not kill the project. We will see...

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@kolla

To be fair to the team when they post things like "just brushing up the NDK" etc....

The team will know where they stand technically in terms of a release. However, they won't be able to speak to the legal side.

Quote:
Cloanto confirms transfers of Commodore/Amiga copyrights


just a minute to listen here

^this could still have been/be an issue for all I know. It should be easy to check current wording in both versions of the OS.

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However, they won't be able to speak to the legal side.


And they are not the ones making the calls regarding releases - Hyperion is.

Like I wrote, OS3 is now in the same piss poor situation that OS4 is, more and more components that need coordination before anything will be released.

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@kolla

Just adding (in case it applies to dealing partially with what I mentioned above) the line from the last court filing concerning what needs to be addressed prior to any settlement. It may seem repetitive, but most only read here once in a while:

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The only tasks that need to be completed are for the Parties to attend to seven
ancillary documents, including an assignment and novation agreement, mutual releases,
stipulations of dismissal, and documents related to a proceeding in Belgium. In addition,
Hyperion requires additional time to confer on one point with counsel in Delaware regarding a
security interest.


Source

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From my post February 16, 2021:

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Due to delays in how and when updates are applied at uspto, I should add the following, since some might be confused why euipo marks are registered to Amiga Corportation and the document referred to above states Cloanto Corporation:

The assignment from Cloanto to Amiga Corporation was already made, it is just not evident from all current documentation at uspto:

Source

Therefore eventually everything will read Amiga Corporation as intended.


Another delay, as this should have been completed by now.

In plain english, Cloanto's attorney is asking uspto to do their job. heh.

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