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OlafS25 
Re: What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?
Posted on 1-Dec-2021 18:47:07
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Re: What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?
Posted on 1-Dec-2021 19:00:54
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bison wrote:
What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?

Trick question. Depends upon which platform would show the most promise of users actually using the apps and perhaps even making some money for developers. Maybe this should be the next poll.

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Re: What would be better: AmigaOS on a modern ISA, or AROS with a lot of apps?
Posted on 1-Dec-2021 20:16:02
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terminills Quote:

actually I care and I'm one of the largest financial supporters of AROS over the years. However I won't be supporting it any longer due to the lack of 64 bit effort.


Didn't AROS x86-64 redefine all AmigaOS structures with 64 bit pointers making it a 64 bit OS or are you unhappy that AROS x86-64 has not become more popular?

davidf215 Quote:

Trick question. Depends upon which platform would show the most promise of users actually using the apps and perhaps even making some money for developers. Maybe this should be the next poll.


The ISA with the most "promise of users" for the Amiga is the 68k ISA despite efforts to convert users to other ISAs as the 68k AmigaOS 3 popularity demonstrates. Many, if not most, Amiga like OSs on other ISAs are using emulation of the 68k ISA because of its importance for compatibility of existing programs (not just apps but games too). Converting Amiga like OSs to other ISAs only divides the number of Amiga users between incompatible ISAs and has largely failed so far. It is possible to have the best of a standard Amiga with backward compatibility, a unified community and using a modern ISA with a modernized 68k64 ISA and modernized Amiga chipset on mass produced and affordable Amiga hardware. The grass was greener on the other side of the fence only after years of neglect of the fields on the Amiga side of the fence by CBM and Motorola. Amiga users can jump fences to different fields but no longer be united or they can organically develop their fields and bring users back home.

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Posted on 1-Dec-2021 20:57:27
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Nope I don't care about popularity as it was my hobby and I supported it accordingly. I don't have any interest in 68K nor BE systems etc. What I do care about is 64Bit doesn't boot on most native systems due to errors in ACPI, MSI-Interupts, USB and the filesystem-handler. Until those are fixed it's limited to booting on virtual machines which is well pointless for me so again I support accordingly.

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terminills Quote:

Nope I don't care about popularity as it was my hobby and I supported it accordingly. I don't have any interest in 68K nor BE systems etc. What I do care about is 64Bit doesn't boot on most native systems due to errors in ACPI, MSI-Interupts, USB and the filesystem-handler. Until those are fixed it's limited to booting on virtual machines which is well pointless for me so again I support accordingly.


Hardware configuration and interrupts have always been more difficult (plug and pray) on x86(-64) hardware. Aren't those newer x86-64 hardware issues rather than 64 bit specific issues? Have you tried to fix the problems yourself as an AROS developer?

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Posted on 1-Dec-2021 23:52:30
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I'm not a developer I'm a sponsor. and for the last decade the #1 financial one. Lets call a spade a spade. The vampire group hasn't come close to 1/20th of what I've donated/sponsored. So my answer is simple I've lost interest and am walking away. I don't even care if FW gets finished anymore tbh.



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terminills wrote:
I don't have any interest in 68K nor BE systems etc. What I do care about is 64Bit doesn't boot on most native systems due to errors in ACPI, MSI-Interupts, USB and the filesystem-handler.
What a mess the PC has become.

I only own one 64 bit PC and it is dedicated to watching TV programs. But I have several PCs that are essentially worthless now because they won't run 64 bit programs. Perhaps I should put AROS on them, then I can be using 'Amiga' OS even more!

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Posted on 2-Dec-2021 1:09:19
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Given the choices, despite any other allegiance, my vote would be AROS. And that is for practical reasons. AROS is portable but AmigaOS is not very.

If we take OS4 as example since it is more portable, even though OS3 would also fit, you'd end up with a stripped AmigaOS that was modified so much to the point it could even compile on x86. Assuming you are targeting x64, you'd have a stripped down AmigaOS that runs no 68k apps, doesn't have ARexx or any other feature where some component is still 68k. Runs single threaded in 32 bit and limited to 2GB. And only older browsers with crippled HTML support would run in it. It would be crap!

But that's just my take on it. AmigaOS would need to rebuilt from the ground up. Which is similar to what the AROS guys did but with different authors and no source code to work off.

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