Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the future of amiga?

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If the love of its legacy is passed on then it won't die. The infighting is a problem but maybe things will get better once the court case is over.

If THE A500 Mini can be released despite the court case then there is hope that much could be achieved once it is sorted.

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At first I thought what future? Then I thought what Amiga? Then I looked through and found the poll was rather balanced. My vote would be that nothing is going to change. Maybe some things improve, but other things will get worse, so it will always bounce around the centre at most I think.

A few highlights:
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Amiga has bright future ahead it will take over the world.

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The world is going burn soon.

Don't you mean the world is going to burn some pancakes soon?

@Hypex

RS-28 Sarmat intercontinental missiles all round! It's called Satan II to its friends in Russia and a pro-Putin news anchor Vladimir Solovyov said this week:

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As it turned out, one Sarmat means minus one Great Britain

So yeah, I guess Great Britain could burn at the very least! Eat pancakes while you can!

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I think it's a mix. The PPC side is going to die, but the emulation side will expand. The A500 Mini points in this direction.

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RS-28 Sarmat intercontinental missiles all round! It's called Satan II to its friends in Russia and a pro-Putin news anchor Vladimir Solovyov said this week: Quote: As it turned out, one Sarmat means minus one Great Britain So yeah, I guess Great Britain could burn at the very least! Eat pancakes while you can!

I doubt Putin has a round of Sarmat missiles. Maybe they have put a few prototypes in service like they do with the mythical T-14 Armata tanks and Su-57 stealth aircraft but they have had high tech production problems which will get worse with sanctions. The Kinzhal hypersonic missiles, which they have used in Ukraine, have been a propaganda success and they probably could convert old short range ballistic missiles to a similar spec but the German V-2 was nearly hypersonic also. Most ballistic missiles are very fast when coming down from high altitude (low orbit in some cases) and drop many warheads and dummy warheads making them very dangerous. The old longer range ballistic missiles are dangerous enough. Russia would need a lot of missiles to minus one Great Britain but detonating even one missile in a big city would likely mean that city would need to be abandoned for generations due to radiation. Radiation cooked pancakes don't sound any better than microwaved pancakes.

Back to topic, I don't quite like, "its already pretty bad, no chance of getting better." I prefer "its already so bad, it has to get better". There is only one direction from the bottom and that is up.

@NutsAboutAmiga

I'm definitely an optimist when it comes to the future of Amiga.
Though as I have surveyed over the years on this and other forums, my version of the Amiga future is not one that most remaining enthusiasts agree with.
However, recently I have seen a trend toward acceptance of a machine which is not necessarily branded as Amiga, and makes a break (compatibility wise) with the current stream of Amiga development.

There is hope yet.

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Future of Amiga?
From developer pov NG.
chipset is too outdated.
there is no fun in anything amiga releated on pc.
aros amithlon are too outdated compared to win/lnx/osx.

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NG is now older and more outdated than classic was when NG came around.

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As Kolla said... if you are really a developer you would know that NG is as outdated as 68k. But 68k at least has a fun, retro and geek factor whereas what is currently called NG predends to be modern and useable as main system but in reality is not. So NG has no geek factor but is not modern either.

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Well I’m a glass half full kinda guy, so I’m more positive. In a way it’s amazing the Amiga community seems to be as big as ever, but unfortunately more as a retro platform, I mean to see a Amiga magazine and the A500 mini taking the Amiga products back on the high street is great to see and a huge step for the platform. I think the A500 mini is helping to grow the retro market based on how quickly the A500 mini Facebook group has grown and how many times I seen someone post they not been in the Amiga community for decades so it’s a great time to be a fan.

Now I can’t deny that the future for the AmigaOne / AmigaOs4 platform looks a lot more glass half empty, that’s a real shame, as I am more interested in what pushes the platform forward and gets us to the next step, as a retro platform is fine but I liked how the Amiga worked and would love to use it as my go to computer. os4 is a dame fine effort but let’s face it, it is stuck on a dying platform, Ppc, which I can’t see much a future for unfortunately and if that was not bad enough the Os is split between two parties, Hyperion - A-Eon. I think even A-eon is admitting Os4 is dead and moving on to a new platform, System 54. I mean I wish them all the best but I want to be excited by the future of the platform like I was with the AmigaOne x1000, I mean I think a1222 may be to late to attract new users, I think the best way now would be maybe making a new Ppc accelerator for classic users and get some of that growing retro market to come into the future.

Maybe investing in a Ppc emulator would be a good way of growing the market if porting the system out, a kinda UAE-NG platform. I’m not just talking about the current PPC emulation in uae at the moment but more like a dedicated one that emulates AmigaOne systems, qemu has Sam460ex support so maybe it could be made around that. Make a dedicated AmigaOne Forever kinda package could be made for OS4 / system 54 it be great if this could work on pi systems as well. (Arm emulates Ppc easier than x86, sheepshave runs on a pi3 and can run macos9 at around Ppc G3 speeds) A updated Ppc emulator made for arm-64bit would be nice and then that could be used to to make pistorm-Ppc maybe. Just some thoughts.

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My thoughts exactly. Maybe some developers will release a couple of games that can run on the A500 mini but I think it will go down the emulation road.

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Amiga already rules the World.. any PC and any Mac is kind of an Amiga CLONE!


The Amiga was the first Multi Media Computer
and will ever be!


Why do peple fight the senseless fight for Amiga Computers? PeeCee has Users Mac has follower but Amiga has desperate Lovers who even try to reanimate the Amiga Corpse! *lol*

PeeCee is a Machine

Mac is a machine!

Amiga is a legendary visionary and in any kind of a poetic way artistic REVOLUTION!!

Nothing more and nothing less!

Shakespeare and Goethe would write Poems about the Amiga! *lol*

No Computer was ever loved in such a desperate way as the Amiga!

No Computer has so much skilled efforts to be ressurected as the Amiga!

The Amiga is kind of Olympic. Taking Part is what Counts!

No Computer else has faced the Reality of possible failure like the Amiga!

Phil Collins wrote a Song about the Amiga!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkGg1bzfSys

Any Music is about the Amiga hahahahaha!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWoTV15qHo

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I am not sure if that songs is really about the Amiga. But this one is certainly about PC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos

Listen carefully at about 1:10.

@NutsAboutAmiga Em,.. eh,.. I am a Punk Rocker. Always sticked to the term "No Future" so this is a perfect fit for me.

Sorry for German terms but the band "Toxoplasma" (which is great) said: "Wir sind der letzte Rest der No-future Generation. Wir glauben an die Atom-Bombe."

(~We are the rest of the No Future generation. We *believe* in the Atom-Bomb.)

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Now I can’t deny that the future for the AmigaOne / AmigaOs4 platform looks a lot more glass half empty, that’s a real shame, as I am more interested in what pushes the platform forward and gets us to the next step, as a retro platform is fine but I liked how the Amiga worked and would love to use it as my go to computer. os4 is a dame fine effort but let’s face it, it is stuck on a dying platform, Ppc, which I can’t see much a future for unfortunately and if that was not bad enough the Os is split between two parties, Hyperion - A-Eon. I think even A-eon is admitting Os4 is dead and moving on to a new platform, System 54.

I maintain from recent discussion in a different thread that the best way forwards now would be to adopt commodity PC hardware. The main issue is that, as it stands, existing AmigaOS is not a good fit. You'd be wasting N-1 of your N core processor, addressable memory, etc. Therefore, what I would like to see is a return to 68K, but in the mantle of Umilator (i.e. Amithlon 2) and backporting / merging the enhancements from OS4 to this architecture. Ideally, some of the remaining CPU resource could be put to work providing some form of legacy hardware emulation services and by the underlying kernel for other dogsbody work. Another key benefit of a return to 68K is that application software can continue to run on pretty much every existing solution since it's the one format they all support.

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