@Hammer

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All X86 CPU designs have departed from X86 CISC microarchitecture design. PiStorm Emu68 is a bare metal that is closer to Transmeta's approach and Amiga's data stored in RPI's memory is bare metal Amiga 68K. UAE under memory-protected with multitasking OS is not bare metal.

Would UAE AROS X86 native be better then?

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@Gregor

Swapping in and out GFX card, probably is bad idea too, it will damage slots over time.

Security vice I wont trust AmigaOS or MorphOS, even if there no backdoors or spyware, its not absolute given, that always be the case. No user level access control, no way knows if some is listening in on keyboard strokes or patching API’s to monitor message between OS and programs.

this operating system where not designed for the internet age, they designed for home computer market pre internet.

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@NutsAboutAmiga
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Swapping in and out GFX card, probably is bad idea too, it will damage slots over time.

Indeed... You just have to choose which OS to priorize, and choose the graphichs board accordingly. I have chosen to use the Radeon HD 6000 series, which is optimal for PPC Linux and a compromise for MOS and AmigaOS.

Using two graphics cards simultaniously is not energetically very wise, but technically it is a handy option.

@Gregor

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Gregor wrote: Me too ;). I use MOS only for running Wayfarer. AmigaOS4 is my 'home'.

I like the way you put it. OS4 just feels like home to me. I love it.

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One important point about Linux: it can use all the cores you have in your CPU. So, with X5040 you have the power of 4 cores, vs. only one with AmigaOS and MOS.

Do you know how linux on my x5000 would compare with it on x86?

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But the critical point is the graphics board. Unless you install two different boards in your machine (that is nowadays possible), you have to make compromises. Which one do you have in your X5000? MOS does not supportat the newer boards (e.g. R7, R9, RX) usually delivered with X5000.

Since I bought my x5000 to get the best OS4 experience I got an Amd RX550, which I understand doesn't work for Morphos. So I think I would have to get another card to test it.

So it may be a while until I get board and want to change the hardware out and run MorphOS for a while.

It runs decently on my G5 Mac, but it feels slower than OS4 in emulation on my PC and definitely slower than OS4 on my x5000.

@Livebyfaith
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Do you know how linux on my x5000 would compare with it on x86?

I sent you some speed test results as PM, run with 'Hardinfo'. You get there some idea of the general performance level...

The major difference is in the WWW browsers. For i86 Linux there are available the usual Firefox, Chrome etc, but the browsers for PPC Linux are originating from older browser lines. The latest versions are quite good (e.g. Sealion), though, and can manage most of the modern sites.

But for running Youtube and other net streams you need to use browser scripts (Viewtube, Viewtube+) which direct the streams to use VLC of MPlayer. That way you get hardware acceleration and avoid the bigendian issues (wrong colors), which are visibe if you try to run streams directly, within Linux PPC browsers.

BTW, RX cards are not working with PPC Linux, either, so you need again a second card. Radeon HD 6000 models are the best choise as both video and 3D hardware accelaration is supported.

@thread(single)

The posts over the past day or so have said more about the current state of Amiga NG hardware than any contrite statement could.

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@agami

and usual answer to that.
no matter as long as there is nothing "Amiga" worth of use on x86 and arm.
want switch to pc? start working on something that will be at least on xp level.

@agami

https://youtu.be/ipJ60BOoXWs?t=857

or about 14:17 for those failing timestamps

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@number6

The animated wallpapers is super distracting, and disorientating.
To run AmigaOS4.1 under emulation you better of using QEMU, its lot faster at graphics.

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@number6

OS Vision in beta? I thought that was in beta ten years ago! I didn't know Leo was still going with it.

The background looks very fancy. C=Man chomping his way through the C=World. Makes OS4 look plain as it stands there in static motion.

I found the English Dalek male voice to be annoying. Not sure if I'd prefer an English Dalek female voice. Might sound annoying like a Red Drawf ship. The windows and icons did look a bit boring though and not as fancy as the background. Not sure if that is an intended contrast. They had that simple look years ago so OS4 looks slightly better or more colourful.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

I'd say using UAE is easier to setup. Still need to fiddle with ROM files unless you have AF. But with QEmu I've not seen a simple all in one package you download, install, run and insert your OS4 CD with.

The wall paper is like Candi. I don't run it much and my R7 250 would be pushed to the limit, even though it doesn't do much else on my X1000. Still it looked very cool and easily puts OS4 to shame if this is the new killer app of the desktop.

It was funny how he called OS4.1 old. Suppose it is but that looked like the updated one from just a few years back. Yes anything over last month is old in computer terms. But then he locates Defender. No one runs OS4.1 on emulation to emulate included Amiga games. Also somehow he booted OS4 from an AROS config.

@ Livebyfaith

congrats and welcome aboard

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+1

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@Livebyfaith

Linux on X5000/20 today is really an horrible experience ... on X5000/40 is a terrible experience.
If you think Pi4 is much more faster in computing compared x5000/40 and plus it have all the video accelerations in linux working vulkan too and prize 100 times less then x5000/40.
Plus if you overclock Pi4 like mine at 2ghz there is no way in linux experience, the Pi is much much more better.

About Os4 experience i have the feeling the best experience on Os4 is the old X1000 just because it have the alitvec and cpu is 100% compatible compared the old ibm g3 and g4 series on X5000 many altivec apps was crashing.

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@tlosm

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About Os4 experience i have the feeling the best experience on Os4 is the old X1000 just because it have the alitvec and cpu is 100% compatible compared the old ibm g3 and g4 series on X5000 many altivec apps was crashing.

Well they are supposed to crash on CPU that does not have AltiVec,
Many? Any examples beyond perhaps Mplayer.

I know there are some special compiles of EUAE, compiled for G5, not sure if they use AltiVec or not.
G3 does not have AltiVec, only G4 CPU’s, so most CPU’s that support AmigaOS4.1 does not have it, this why is not a huge interest to optimize for it, and frankly speaking assembler is different language then C.

But as I understand it, there are some optimization in exec/dos that can take advantage like mem copy routines.

Yeh.. running on Linux on AmigaONE is painful because Linux has poor graphics cards support for BE PowerPC, or there are special patch and hacks in kernel, so you can’t compile the kernel on your own.

But I remember also having problems with AmigaONE-XE, I remember having to recompile X11R6, to get it working, once I got it working it felt pretty nice, not sure why. But its hade different feeling then I was used to on Athlon, maybe a bit snappier, but slower. It did not make much sense. I can be all in my mind.

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@Hypex

the Candy animations in AmigaOS4.1 is not as noticeable, definitely more professional, it's like they actually thought about how distracting it could be, compared to the Commodore OS animations.

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@Hypex

I didn't notice, well from an AmigaOS4.1 was four point of view, it doesn't matter if inital boot is from AROS, as AmigaOS4.1 takes over the machine when it's loaded anyway.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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Candy animations in AmigaOS4.1 is not as noticeable, definitely more professional, it's like they actually thought about how distracting it could be, compared to the Commodore OS animations.

They aren't as distracting and can sit in the background. But the Commodore logo floating through the cities just looked cool. I imagine a boing ball bouncing from street to street and off skyscrapers would be as equally cool if not more so and more distracting. And more in line with an Amiga theme. But, if a cool logo rotating through streets is the killer app, it's just a cool gimmick at best. Back to the drawing board again for a real killer app.

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I didn't notice, well from an AmigaOS4.1 was four point of view, it doesn't matter if inital boot is from AROS, as AmigaOS4.1 takes over the machine when it's loaded anyway.

I can only imagine it was some kind of label. FS-UAE throws a fit if even virtual HDDs are attached in PC mode. But, even on WinUAE, OS4 could not boot from AROS without modifying it.

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Would UAE AROS X86 native be better then?

I'm replying to your post with an Amiga 1200 / PiStorm32 Lite-Emu68-RPi 4B 4GB and Netsurf 3.9 68K.

PCMCIA WiFi card is Prism based with WP1/WP2.

My Amiga 1200 has the "C= Commodore" and "Amiga" names. :P

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@virgolamobile

What about Framework's modular laptops?

The main motherboard can be replaced with another model.

What about Framework laptop compatible PowerPC motherboard design?

Framework wants to move laptop PC market into desktop PC's modular standards.

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@tlosm

"Linux on X5000/20 today is really an horrible experience ... on X5000/40 is a terrible experience."

Its a horrible experience because the CPU in the X5000 computers were not made to run any type of OS. These CPU's were made to be used in controller cards or networking/communication devices, but some Einstein that it would be a good idea to use them to power a computer, and whats worse is they decided to tarnish the reputation the mighty Amiga had by selling it as a NG Amiga and asking ransom money for this garbage. This is no different to building a monster truck and then putting a 250cc two stroke to power it. Did anyone not question the hardware when it was announced all those years ago??

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