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Re: Update from RGL concerning THEA500 Maxi
Posted on 7-Jun-2025 18:03:22
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So it's like the MiSTer core?


The Spectrum Next FPGA hardware is like the MiSTer FPGA hardware and the Spectrum Next cores are like MiSTer cores even though they may not be compatible due to different FPGA sizes and logic elements. It could be called universal FPGA hardware but all FPGA hardware can be universal. FPGA stands for Field Programmable Gate Array with "field programmable" meaning the FPGA can be programmed in the field without having to be returned to the developers or the hardware disassembled. A "gate array" is just a fancy name for electrical lines and logic which can be programmed to connect in different ways in a FPGA. The programming is not like a CPU where the code is sequential but rather the programming has to be uploaded into the FPGA and the lines and logic are actually physically wired and happen at once in parallel without using clocks to specify otherwise like a processor. The Vampire/AC FPGA hardware could use different cores like the MiSTer hardware but the hardware is closed and the AC team is not providing other cores. The original Majsta developed Vampire was open hardware and used a TG68 core before allowing an AC68k core. AC68080 cores or AC68080+SAGA cores could be used in other FPGA hardware like the MiSTer or FPGA 68k accelerators but perhaps nobody likes the licensing requirements. Individual Computers recently designed a 68060/68040 Amiga accelerator with a FPGA for a 68000 CPU core that can be switched to for compatibility. Their Indivision ECS/AGA also uses Amiga chipset logic replacements likely in FPGA reverse engineered from the Clone-A project and the Chameleon is universal FPGA hardware. Jeri Ellsworth was involved with an early attempt to reverse engineer the Amiga chipset into a FPGA core and then a 68k Amiga SoC like the 6510 C64 SoC she solo created, worked with iComp on the Clone-A reverse engineering project and was contacted by RGL about making a 68k Amiga SoC for them. There have been rumors that the RGL A1200 "maxi" uses a FPGA. The retro hardware market competition is stiffening as can be seen by the A1200 MiSTer/MiSTress for the quality/accuracy end of the market and RPi like hardware is difficult to compete with for cheap low end retro emulation. MiSTer, Analogue FPGA products, Vampire/AC and FPGA hardware like the Spectrum Next are adding next generation features and enhancements like the products would have received if they had continued and new models were released. This means basic FPGA hardware may no longer be competitive. Some people think ARM CPU cores with CPU emulation and FPGA chipsets are the way to go for retro hardware but ARM and RPi are the winners with it while a 68k SoC with FPGA capabilities would be the ultimate in retro competitiveness and the producers and developers would be the winner. It would require "working together", especially to raise capital, instead of sabotaging each other and wasting resources on lawsuits.

The original Amiga 1000 did not have "the Roms baked in" and future Amigas are unlikely to have the ROMs baked in but may have the CPU cores and chipsets "baked in". I interpret "baked in" as meaning the electrical lines and logic have a static configuration on a chip die. This is not true for an emulated CPU or chipset. It is not true for a FPGA either as it is programmable but it is possible to create ROM in a FPGA from the perspective of an already programmed FPGA and potential hard ASIC where it would become "baked in". These FPGA/ASIC ROMs are generally smaller ROM elements where large external ROMs like many retro computers use are practically outdated today. The old ROMs were used because they were the cheapest way to store static data with less than one transistor/bit used. Moore's Law made transistors much cheaper and upgradeable firmware is a big advantage. One of the first replacements was EPROMs which use ultraviolet light to erase the old data but this often required removing the device which was inconvenient. Then the EEPROM was developed which is field programmable nonvolatile memory but it had a limited number of write cycles and it was slow like the predecessors. ROMs were often copied or decompressed to memory to improve performance up to this point. Modern flash nonvolatile memory was developed with two types being NOR and NAND flash memory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory

NOR flash has random access like many retro ROMs which allows execution of code directly from the nonvolatile memory. NOR flash has high read speeds making it a good upgrade from retro ROMs and may not require copying to memory to gain performance. It is slower at writes than reads, there are still a limited number of writes possible even though there have been improvements, it can only be used down to a process size of about 40nm and it provides less dense memory than NAND flash.

NAND flash is what most of the cheap solid state drives use today. It is high performance and the density allows for large capacity drives. It does not allow random access so can not directly replace retro ROMs but if decompressing the data memory anyway, it can be used. Retro ROMs for emulation and FPGA use may sit in NAND flash drives.

FPGAs are typically not programmed on power up. They require programming from flash memory although some have built in flash memory from which the FPGA is programmed at power up and becomes usable without external logic and chips.

Any other questions about modern tech for retro hardware?

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Re: Update from RGL concerning THEA500 Maxi
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Did you notice in the new Commodore video concerning RGL he said:

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Come on. We all want that to be the Commodore A1200, don't we?


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Re: Update from RGL concerning THEA500 Maxi
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Did you notice in the new Commodore video concerning RGL he said:

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Come on. We all want that to be the Commodore A1200, don't we?



No. Link?

I personally do not care to have a Commodore A1200 and do not see it as worthwhile to obtain the necessary Commodore IP for Amiga computers. The Commodore brand likely would be worthwhile for earlier 8-bit retro computers like the C64 though. My preference is for an Amiga A1200. I would almost rather have an Atari A1200 than Commodore A1200. At least it seems more appropriate considering the original developers and the Commodore treatment of the Amiga. An Atari A1200 would potentially have mass retro appeal and certainly create some buzz in retro news. An Atari A1200 using a 68k SoC ASIC and with Atari ST compatibility like the Vampire/AC hardware, likely would have more retro appeal than the x86-64 VCS.

It is interesting that some retro users are choosing different retro cases than the retro hardware they prefer because of the universal FPGA capabilities.

Retcon 2025 New Spectrum Next reveal highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8eMABF1hD8 stephenmalley3729 Quote:

Well all I can say to the Speccy Next team is "You Bastards"
I now have to budget for a KS3 to go with my KS1 and KS2. On a lighter note my ugly C64 can be put back in its box.


The Spectrum Next is not bad looking and small which likely appeals to some users. Likewise, some retro users may opt for the A1200 MiSTer/MiSTress based on looks, quality and practicality. More would likely choose it if it was cheaper. A lower price, better performance and better value could bring back many ex-Amiga users and likely some new users. The way to vastly improve the value while reducing the cost is a 68k SoC ASIC with FPGA capabilities added.

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Re: Update from RGL concerning THEA500 Maxi
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Sorry. I thought everyone had watched this by now.

the missing link

He does discuss licensing quite a bit.

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#6 Quote:

Sorry. I thought everyone had watched this by now.

the missing link

He does discuss licensing quite a bit.


Thanks. The video is from today and you expected "everyone had watched it"?

I knew people were looking into buying the Commodore IP for retro use but not this attempt if it is serious. Michele Battilana's businesses own some of the Commodore IP and he has talked about buying missing IP which could provide synergies with his IP. Assembling retro IP under one roof for a one stop shop is a good idea although it can take time waiting for opportunities and not over paying. Michele is mentioned in the video but not much was said considering his businesses own more useful Commodore IP than the Commodore name and chicken lips. The Commodore name and chicken lips may still be more valuable.

Is that a real Amiga 1200 Maxi at 9:00 into the video?

Can We Save COMMODORE? My Biggest Project Yet! (Amiga 1200 Maxi shown)
https://youtu.be/lN8r4LRcOXc?t=540

The extra CTRL key to the right of the space bar on the keyboard is unusual but it is an Amiga layout keyboard. This does not look like an amateur job but maybe like it could be a real Amiga 1200 Maxi prototype.

I had never heard of crowd funded shares. It sounds like it is for business startup/seed/angel investors where large investments are expected. I can see where it is not so useful for small investors. It may be possible to create a business listing for over-the-counter (OTC) "pink sheet" stocks which should be more accessible to small investors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over-the-counter_(finance)

Most younger investors I know have their investments in retirement accounts and an OTC stock listing should make it easier to use retirement investments too. The advantage of an OTC stock listing is less regulation burden and cost but with that is usually less transparency and more risk. There are shady and scam OTC stocks and such a listing could result in a reduced reputation for a business. There used to be spam e-mails with penny stock recommendations which would have been OTC stocks. There are legitimate OTC stocks traded and they are a sizable percentage of the market according to Wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over-the-counter_(finance) Quote:

In 2008, approximately 16% of all U.S. stock trades were "off-exchange trading"; by April 2014, that number increased to about 40%.[1] Although the notional amount outstanding of OTC derivatives in late 2012 had declined 3.3% over the previous year, the volume of cleared transactions at the end of 2012 totalled US$346.4 trillion.[3] The Bank for International Settlements statistics on OTC derivatives markets showed that "notional amounts outstanding totalled $693 trillion at the end of June 2013... The gross market value of OTC derivatives – that is, the cost of replacing all outstanding contracts at current market prices – declined between end-2012 and end-June 2013, from $25 trillion to $20 trillion."


I am not suggesting an OTC listing as I do not know enough about it but it could be an option.

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@matthey

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The video is from today and you expected "everyone had watched it"?


My apologies. heh.

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Efinix FPGA in PiStorm32 is programmed at power-on.

Efinix FPGAs, particularly those in the Trion and Titanium families, are typically programmed at power-on using an external data storage device.

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WinUAE 6.0 beta has multi-threaded Amiga chipset emulation, not just RTG functions, hence it makes multi-CPU cores useful for Amiga emulation.

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TD/BH camp's narrative from https://jonlennartaasenden.wordpress.com/2019/02/15/hyperion-vs-cloanto-the-longest-running-lawsuit-in-the-history-of-computing/

From TD/BH camp's viewpoint,
1. “The classical Amiga OS source code was, as we know, acquired by Hyperion from Amiga Inc”.

2. "Cloanto have been exclusively about legacy. They have no license that involves software development, and are for all means an purposes a retro retailer (or undertaker if you will). They sell old Commodore stuff, and that’s it. So while they have argued like cats and dogs over absolutely everything, like that worthless boing ball and the name “workbench”, they at least managed to co-exist somehow.

That was, until Hyperion listened to the Amiga Community and released an update for the 68k platform. Which is perfectly within their rights to do. They have a license that covers both 68k and PPC. Acer has set a clause (from what I can tell) that they are not allowed to touch x86, but as far as 68k and PPC is concerned — Hyperion is well within their rights to issue an update. After all they own the source-code for Amiga OS 3.1 which I mentioned above, Cloanto does not."


3. Acer has set a clause (from what I can tell) that they are not allowed to touch x86
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1. The "acquired" definition can have legal consequences. Bill McEwen's Amiga Inc. licensed AmigaOS 3.1 source code to Hyperion to port 68K AmigaOS 3.1 to PPC for $25,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_AmigaOS_4_dispute

2. Cloanto updated the original C= AmigaOS 3.1 into 3.X (OS improvement from the ESCOM era) as part of emulation maintenance rights.

https://www.amigaforever.com/kb/16-125 and https://www.amigaforever.com/kb/16-120 contain improvements for 3.X vs original 3.1

https://amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2019-02-00009-EN.html
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https://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2020-09-00005-EN.html Quote:

This is just one way of many ways the 2009 settlement agreement could and should be nullified. As I recall, Cloanto was registering the US "Amiga" trademark for Amiga Inc and not themselves (Cloanto had a license to use the "Amiga" trademark so it remained in active use). Hyperion was registering Amiga IP in their name thus claiming ownership in violation of their license. The USPTO rejected new trademarks using the "Amiga" trademark including "AmigaOne" and "AmigaOS" do to "likelihood of confusion". I expect "AmigaKit", "AmigaStore", "AmigaShop" "Amiga.org", "AmigaWorld" ,"AmigaForever", etc. Amiga computer related trademark registration, with or without spaces, would be rejected by the USPTO also do to fitting under the umbrella of the "Amiga" trademark. Trademark registration in some other parts of the world is lax which the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate is exploiting to claim ownership of Amiga IP for themselves.


On February 1, 2019, Bill McEwen's Amiga Inc. transferred all its IP (including Amiga trademarks and remaining copyrights) to C-A Acquisition Corp., owned by Mike Battilana (director of Cloanto, the company behind the Amiga Forever emulation package), later renamed to Amiga Corporation.

Since Mike Battilana's Amiga Corporation is the sucessor to Bill McEwen's Amiga Inc, Amiga Corporation joins the legal battle between Cloanto vs Hyperion.

Cloanto's business is not dependent on Amiga Forever since they have a B2B e-commerce payment component for Global 500 companies.

Cloanto has access to AmigaOS 3.1 source code via Amiga Corporation.

In court, Amiga Corporation will most likely argue for the original AmigaOS 3.1 / AmigaOS 4 PPC port contract given to Hyperion and contract material breach by Hyperion.

AmigaKit's Amibench with 68K AROS core software components reveals a sandy foundation with Hyperion's 68K AmigaOS 3.1.4 and AmigaOS 3.2.x adventure.

Hyperion camp has argued Amiga Inc's AmigaOS 3.1 abandonment.

3. There's a big-endian/little-endian capable ARM instead of little-endian x86. ACER's x86 limitation doesn't apply to ARM or RISC-V.

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#6 Quote:

Quote:
The video is from today and you expected "everyone had watched it"?


My apologies. heh.


You did mention that it was a "new Commodore video". It was just strange thinking that "everyone had watched it". It is an interesting video, especially concerning RGL and the Amiga 1200 Maxi. Not only did I notice the Amiga 1200 Maxi in the video, which strangely nobody else has commented about from the video, but there were some interesting replies in the well over 1,000 comments and 80k+ views already.

DarthChrisJ Quote:

This is so awesome for Commodore fans. I was never into their 8 bit world, I arrived as an Amiga 500 user and while I’m thrilled for the slightly older fans, I’m also incredibly sad about the state of the Amiga world in 2025.

I wish you every success with C= and I hope you’ll be able to acquire all of the Amiga IP at some point too!
visitparaiagreece Quote:

Maybe they can work with the Retro Games Ltd. company somehow.

RetroRecipes Quote:

Working on a hopeful partnership as we speak!



Retro Recipes is the author of the video (Peri Fractic?). The Commodore IP buying guys are "working on a hopeful partnership" with RGL.

darryllyle Quote:

Ok a few things. This entire video is amazing, so much attention to detail. Even the Atari shirt!!! I have a question though, are you in conversation with Colanto and Hyperion as well? Do you think you can fix that as well? If you can get the Commodore brand and pull Amiga OS together as well, then we really might be on to something.
RetroRecipes Quote:

Good question! I think I can fix that.



This Peri guy is way too optimistic. The Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate are intent on taking the Amiga to their grave clutched in their last dying hands. Only then can it be removed from their dead corpses with some effort. At least Hyperion is well on their way to committing financial suicide much like Commodore. Now if Trevor would just stop stopping them as he has his own financial suicide business to bail out after his A1222 which should have been name Commodore A600. Maybe Trevor can get a Commodore license from Peri's newly resurrected Commodore for his Commodore A600 mistake.

playy1797 Quote:

What a great idea, and fascinating they actually offered to sell it to you. I love the care charity part as well. What will you do with Amiga, it having been split off and having court cases of its own, will you be trying with Cloanto to get that back under the Commodore umbrella as well? Thanks for trying this, I'm rooting for you.
RetroRecipes Quote:

Amiga is a huge part of this venture naturally



"Amiga is a huge part of this venture" to obtain the Commodore brand. Ok.

countzero99uk Quote:

I think this is a great idea, im a little confused with one point though. If its all owned by the one company, how did the kickroms end up being owned elsewhere, i cant see mention of them being sold off.
RetroRecipes Quote:

They went to Gateway and are now with Mike from Cloanto, a friend and colleague

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"Mike from Cloanto" is a friend and colleague of Peri.

revolutionofone8541 [quote]
This sounds great. I love Commodore but let me understand this correctly. You are attempting to purchase the rights to the Name and trademark of Commodore? Not any assists per se other than the use of the brand name?

With this trademarked name, independent makers and manufacturers of new Commodore hardware, software and accessories can put the name Commodore on their packaging?

Wouldn’t it be better to purchase some of the key patents and what not that make it difficult to release a complete C64/Amiga updated kit on a large scale? The OS, the heart of the system in particular.

Sorry if I don’t understand this correctly. I really hope you succeed. Thanks!
RetroRecipes [quote]
Yes, you’ve understood correctly, and we're excited about the potential! There aren’t really any active patents but there is other stuff like ROMs. And that’s definitely something on the radar.

revolutionofone8541 Quote:

Is not being able to legally use the Commodore name on aftermarket products really what’s holding things back?

I personally think that Commodore needs its own Raspberry Pi moment. An affordable Amiga small board computer with tight integration to the OS. Upgraded where possible for modern standards and targeted/marketed to both the retro scene and education. Useable GPIO and a cheap microcontroller for the maker scene would be a nice add on also. I know it’s near impossible but the community to to settle on one board and develop and design for that board like crazy. Open source all you can like firmware also.

I know it’s near impossible and can’t easily be done and these are old ideas but I know the potential of the Commodore/Amiga experience. I want to see it saved. Raspberry Pi might be a good model to follow with its foundation and unification on one single affordable board constantly being improved with the help of open source fans.

RetroRecipes Quote:

@revolutionofone8541 Watch this space!



Some answers to questions from a knowledgeable commenter who understands the 68k Amiga can still be valuable for small footprint hardware like RPi hardware, as I have been saying. The standard 68k Amiga with GUI scales lower than any standard ARM+Linux with GUI. Yet, Trevor has been shoving his grossly noncompetitive and fat PPC hardware and AmigaOS for the desktop down our throats for a decade.

ChrisEdwardsRestoration Quote:

Yeah 8 bit crap. And for fracks sake your wearing an atari shirt!!! You diss the Amiga and Cdtv. Nice work. You just lost 100,000 plus Amiga fans. 8 bit is nice but save Amiga. Many of us pour our souls into that. I smell something. And its prob just lawsuits against everyone
RetroRecipes Quote:

You might’ve misunderstood. I said Amiga was a missed opportunity. Commodore failed to push the Amiga hard to creative professionals. CDTV is widely accepted as a commercial failure or as I more politely put it “misstep”. Atari and Commodore are closely linked. Remember Jack Tramiel came from Atari. It’s a bit of fun - a nod to that history. Our plans very much involve Amiga. As you will know I owned and adored my Amiga 500+, and bought an A4000 in 1994. Check out my Amiga content. Thanks for sharing your view.



More in support of the Amiga. Also, looking at Peri's videos, I see the following video.

Exclusive first THE A500 MINI Prototype Playtest! Full preview review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm0z9XYJVS4

Peri has received RGL prototypes before. I suspect the "Amiga 1200 Maxi" is a real prototype from RGL and nobody noticed and commented on it.

Can We Save COMMODORE? My Biggest Project Yet! (Amiga 1200 Maxi shown at 9:00)
https://youtu.be/lN8r4LRcOXc?t=540

A return to Amiga branding at last? Does anyone else think this may be a real RGL "Amiga 1200 Maxi" prototype in the video?

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Hammer Quote:

TD/BH camp's narrative from https://jonlennartaasenden.wordpress.com/2019/02/15/hyperion-vs-cloanto-the-longest-running-lawsuit-in-the-history-of-computing/


I have read the blog before. The author does not know what he is talking about. The comments from some well known Amiga users are interesting and correct some of the many inaccuracies of the blog.

Hammer Quote:

3. Acer has set a clause (from what I can tell) that they are not allowed to touch x86


It sounds like pure speculation and is most likely fantasy. Trevor comments below trying to correct the misinformation with, "In no way did I mean to imply that ACER owned any Amiga IP."

Hammer Quote:

In court, Amiga Corporation will most likely argue for the original AmigaOS 3.1 / AmigaOS 4 PPC port contract given to Hyperion and contract material breach by Hyperion.


I doubt any Hyperion license of Amiga IP will exist after the judgement of a material breach of the 2009 settlement agreement. I expect a prompt bankruptcy filling from Hyperion after such a judgement.

Hammer Quote:

Hyperion camp has argued Amiga Inc's AmigaOS 3.1 abandonment.


While Amiga Inc was mostly dormant for years, they had licensed Amiga IP to businesses which were still active including Cloanto. Software like "AmigaOS 3.1" usually does not become legal abandon ware unless the copyright expires which is longer than the computer age. The Amiga/AmigaOS trademark could be abandoned through disuse but active businesses with licenses from what appears to be a dormant business may suffice to retain trademarks. An argument of abandoned Amiga IP by Amiga Inc is weak but, as I recall, Ben Hermans made such arguments when challenging ownership of Amiga IP by registering Amiga IP for Hyperion. Some people fell for his propaganda and others realized he is a compulsive liar.

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I suspect the "Amiga 1200 Maxi" is a real prototype from RGL and nobody noticed and commented on it.

Alternatively, it could also be the Amiga 1200 Maxi Peri built 3 years ago in this video with the label replaced.

Actually, it almost certainly is this one, because Peri spray painted the case a very specific color he picked up at the hardware store. And the case shown at 9 minutes is exactly that same spray painted case.

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The extra CTRL key to the right of the space bar on the keyboard is unusual but it is an Amiga layout keyboard. This does not look like an amateur job but maybe like it could be a real Amiga 1200 Maxi prototype


Please, rather than making wild speculations... a quick google?

https://amigastore.eu/en/994-mechanical-keyboard-amiga-1200.html
https://rastport.com/products/KA59/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKkBesUKZwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otu2vr-6MXE

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It’s not an A1200 Maxi (but it is, I suspect all the system kinda would be)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Otu2vr-6MXE

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Re: Update from RGL concerning THEA500 Maxi
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I wish him and those involved, every success.

Personally, I don't care for the Commodore brand.

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They should absolutely use this on the X5000 to integrate Amiga emulation properly instead of via UAE.

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jingof Quote:

Alternatively, it could also be the Amiga 1200 Maxi Peri built 3 years ago in this video with the label replaced.

Actually, it almost certainly is this one, because Peri spray painted the case a very specific color he picked up at the hardware store. And the case shown at 9 minutes is exactly that same spray painted case.


Strange but likely.

kolla Quote:

Please, rather than making wild speculations... a quick google?


Speculation yes, wild speculation no. It is reasonable to speculate that someone who receives RGL prototypes and has an "Amiga 1200 Maxi", has a RGL Amiga 1200 Maxi.

Of course you would show up as soon as we start talking about Amiga keyboard layouts. Personally, if adding a right CTRL key, I would have preferred it to the right of the existing right Amiga and alt keys. This would have added interoperability with most modern PC keyboards without changing the Amiga key layout.

amigang Quote:

It’s not an A1200 Maxi (but it is, I suspect all the system kinda would be)


Maybe it is not a RGL "A1200 Maxi" but it could be argued that it is an "Amiga 1200 Maxi". If the "A1200" UK trademark is a problem in the UK, Amiga branding like this without the use of "A1200" could provide an alternative.

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WinUAE 6.0 beta has multi-threaded Amiga chipset emulation, not just RTG functions, hence it makes multi-CPU cores useful for Amiga emulation.


Cool... though we had that like more than two decades ago already on Linux UAE (the "famous" --enable-penguins build option.)

What are you answering to anyways? That FPGA Minimig systems also may have features going beyond those of real Amiga?

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I wish him and those involved, every success.

Personally, I don't care for the Commodore brand.


Same, and I would suggest to him to not get dragged into the Amiga circus.

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My point, WinUAE's R&D is not standing still.

WinUAE 6 allocates a separate CPU thread for chipset emulation, which enables a CPU thread to be dedicated for the CPU translation.

One of the key advantages of Emu68 is the lack the chipset emulation when the CPU thread is fully dedicated to the CPU translation.

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