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Did the Amy '05 prototype EVER boot?

From what I recall people saying at the time. the tracks on the PCB weren't laid out in a way that would lead to a functioning board.

@Rob

And why would they be laid out in that way?! Given the choice always go with the non-fuctioning method of etching tracks on your PCBs folks!!!!

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BigD wrote: And why would they be laid out in that way?!

Because the wanna be designers didn't know better, thy made this only as an optical demo.

Maybe they where searching for 'investors' helping the to do it right.
Maybe they where searching for some fools they could screw over.

We will never know, I don't know the names behind Troika, but if you remember you can find out what they are doing now.

@number6
Google translation:

Geennaam (28-Mai-2025, 12:58)
We believe the situation was well understood from the outset, and we have been transparent with all available information.

The initial prototype consisted of five mainboards, one of which remained unallocated. MorphOS expressed immediate interest and was able to proceed with a single board, while AmigaOS4 required multiple boards due to its specific needs. Consequently, the first board was allocated to MorphOS. Regardless of the decision, it was clear that not all parties could be accommodated initially.

Progress accelerated far beyond our expectations. While our original goal was to have a working system ready for Amiga 40 in Germany, Frank delivered an extraordinary achievement: within just one week of receiving the board, he successfully booted into Ambient.

A second batch of at least ten boards is planned, with several units designated for key AmigaOS4 developers to begin their work. However, due to higher-than-expected demand, we are considering increasing the size of this batch. Before proceeding, we aim to validate all functionality and incorporate feedback from current board holders.

One of the most frequently asked questions concerns pricing. At this stage, we cannot provide a definitive answer. We have set ambitious targets. And currently we have no indication that these targets are not achievable. However, given the current global economic volatility with new tariffs every week, circumstances may change rapidly.

We appreciate your patience and continued support as we strive to meet our goals: affordability, and compatibility with MorphOS, AmigaOS4, and Linux.



My German is rusty.

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BigD wrote: @Thread I shouldn't have looked! Simply soul destroying! https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/2025/05/strategic-change-by-2025-lets-do-whatever-it-takes-to-achieve-at-least-a-desktop-version/ ...and even if they ever get it to boot it would still need Hyperion to port AmigaOS and drivers...pain, pain, anguish, agony, pain!

It's a story plot complication. ACube is involved.

Removing Marvell 88SE9235A1-NAA2C000 SATA 3 IC wouldn't be a big deal since recent PC laptops (e.g. Lenovo Yoga Pro 7 2024, Framework 13 2024/2025) have dropped 2.5-inch SATA support, only support NVMe M2 storage, and the largest battery size possible for the given case.

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It runs Linux and there are videos of it running MorphOS too.
Will it run OS4?

Hmmm. Trevor owns ExecSG. Trevor also has a very large pile of unsold and expensive motherboards.
Will he pay the Friedens to port ExecSG to this new boards ?
Computer says no.

@V8

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Computer says no.

And as usual, the most definite answers come from those that know jack sh*t

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Oh sorry, are we under the impression that the 'Amiga Industrial Complex' promotes a free for all open market for all comers for the good of the customer? That might be how it is painted in friendly talks at Amiga shows but I think we can clearly see from the Retro Games Limited saga that most companies and Amiga IP holders are out for themselves and not the customer! Pay the 'Amiga Tax' and shut up rings true. We were lucky to get the Mini with this background!

..and thank God for every Vampire there's a PiStorm! Not so in the PPC works other than maybe for MorphOS.

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@BigD

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And why would they be laid out in that way?! Given the choice always go with the non-fuctioning method of etching tracks on your PCBs folks!!!!

Probably a combination of the PCB designer's lack of experience in laying out the tracks on such a complex board, and a desire have something they could show in a short space of time.

@Rob

or you could read the designer's words instead:

Ian

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Added: If you prefer more of his history:

Ian again

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V8 wrote: It runs Linux and there are videos of it running MorphOS too. Will it run OS4?

Probably. Experienes tells, that it will take some time though. But I am confident. . Then again, who actually cares? MorphOS will support the board and runs already. If you favour OS4 you can use MorphOS until OS4 will be released to get your instant Amiga fix.

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For half an hour here and there.

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@BigD

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Oh sorry, are we under the impression that the 'Amiga Industrial Complex' promotes a free for all open market for all comers for the good of the customer? That might be how it is painted in friendly talks at Amiga shows but I think we can clearly see from the Retro Games Limited saga that most companies and Amiga IP holders are out for themselves and not the customer! Pay the 'Amiga Tax' and shut up rings true. We were lucky to get the Mini with this background! ..and thank God for every Vampire there's a PiStorm! Not so in the PPC works other than maybe for MorphOS.

There's no standalone FPGA AGA with PiStorm32, only FPGA OCS/ECS with the original PiStorm (using 68000 socket).

This topic's PPC hardware announcement is for new builds, not add-on accelerators for existing C= Amigas. RPi 4B or CM4+HAT can standalone and run Linux ARM with Broadcom Video Core VI iGPU. RPi 5 can't be used with PiStorm/PiStorm32 due to higher latency with Pi GPIO.

On the UAE front, WinUAE 6 beta has chipset emulation running in the second CPU thread with AVX2 (x86-64v3) baseline.

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number6 wrote: or you could read the designer's words instead:

Thy for the details, Ian is still active:

https://github.com/istedman/
https://www.ianstedman.co.uk/

@number6

How absolutely depressing that an intelligent man like Ian Stedman finds himself defending the Troika Amy'05 BB4 no show where he lost all credibility regarding that machine! Sad, I still gave the audio recording of his talk at BB4 and it is soul destroying and a lesson in delusion! It's a miracle what Alan Redhouse was able to achieve when not even Mick Tinker could get anything to market! Well done RGL for THEA500 Mini and we'll done AmigaKIt for the A600GS and A1200NG! The A1222 Plus needs all the help it can get and as for the OpenPPC laptop and now this unsupported PPC board...why, when PPC has run its course?

It says it all when the Rogue Football entry to the recent AmiJam was PPC only (the only entry that was). This meant that the majority of the judging panel, including RJ Mical, were unable to play it! It is a lesson learned that you've taken a wrong turn in life when you had the opportunity for one of the original Amiga development team to play your game but they can't because of how niche, expensive and pointless the AmigaOne/Amiga Os4.x machines have become! However inspiring the X1000 project was this is beyond pointless now! Backport OS4.x feature to OS3.2.x and move on!

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@OneTimer1

Apologies for remaining off-topic a bit longer to finish the story:

stedy and daveae

If you read the exchange between them, you'll understand that Ian helped daveae with audio on the original AmigaOnes. This was culmination of many talks about "interrupts" on those machines.

you might take a look at this too

note Ben Hermans' response 17-Jan-2010

Why do I mention these things? Because most people have never known "who does what" around here, and they focus on 1 issue (Troika's Amy) to vilify and make fun of developers.

Ben doing just that as well 14-Feb-2009

Why date those 2 comments? To illustrate that someone had very little idea of another person's actual capabilities until much later than when he made his sweeping statement about devs.

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@thread

Back to topic:

new Mirari footage on utube

Also added to the Mirari blog.

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@number6

Great video! Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

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Well, between multiple discords and the websites we have our hands full with keeping up with the updates. heh.

btw-I expect the project will be mentioned here in a few minutes:

Trevor speaks at the show

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@number6

Why do you expect that? He had invested his nest egg in the A1222 Plus! Ridiculous to suggest another machine is to get an AmigaOS port imminently! Shouldn't this be a period of returning IP to Amiga Corp? Wait it out and Hyperion might fold.

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