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Back to topic: new Mirari footage on utube Also added to the Mirari blog. #6

Yeah, great video! Shaping up to be a nice MorphOS machine. I thought MorphOS is moving to x86 but yeah, a nice stopgap.

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Oh sorry, are we under the impression that the 'Amiga Industrial Complex' promotes a free for all open market for all comers for the good of the customer? That might be how it is painted in friendly talks at Amiga shows but I think we can clearly see from the Retro Games Limited saga that most companies and Amiga IP holders are out for themselves and not the customer! Pay the 'Amiga Tax' and shut up rings true. We were lucky to get the Mini with this background! ..and thank God for every Vampire there's a PiStorm! Not so in the PPC works other than maybe for MorphOS.

"Amiga Industrial Complex". But everyone loves the Amiga here. Doesn't love triumph all even Amiga politics?

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How absolutely depressing that an intelligent man like Ian Stedman finds himself defending the Troika Amy'05 BB4 no show where he lost all credibility! Sad! It's a miracle what Alan Redhouse was able to achieve when not even Mick Tinker could get anything to market! Well done RGL for THEA500 Mini and we'll done AmigaKIt for the A600GS and A1200NG! The A1222 Plus needs all the help it can get and as for the OpenPPC laptop and now this unsupported PPC board...why, when PPC has run its course?

Some people want things so bad that their support defies logic. Sometimes Amiga politics sabotage projects, delay projects and raises prices beyond viability. It is better not to blame individuals for failed projects and shenanigans that are out of their control. It is better to blame the people in control of Amiga Neverland.

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It says it all when the Rogue Football entry to the recent AmiJam was PPC only (the only entry that was). This meant that the majority of the judging panel, including RJ Mical, were unable to play it! It is a lesson learned that you've taken a wrong turn in life when you had the opportunity for one of the original Amiga development team to play your game but they can't because of how niche, expensive and pointless the AmigaOne/Amiga Os4.x machines have become! However inspiring the X1000 project was this is beyond pointless now! Backport OS4.x feature to OS3.2.x and move on!

The 68k Amiga remains a 2nd class citizen to PPC AmigaNOne even though the 68k "AmigaOS 4" clearly saved Hyperion and it is the only viable Amiga market. Hyperion may not be able to backport PPC AmigaOS 4 features because some development contracts between Hyperion and PPC AmigaOS 4 developers are limited to PPC. How ironic would it be if the Hyperion 68k AmigaOS must be considered "AmigaOS 4" in the 2009 Amiga Inc v Hyperion VOF settlement agreement but can not use the PPC "AmigaOS 4" source code?

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number6 wrote: To illustrate that someone had very little idea of another person's actual capabilities until much later than when he made his sweeping statement about devs.

I don't take BH really serious, he plotted behind the scenes, made contracts that changed "The AmigaOS" into a legal death trap and gained nothing. If he had relied on cooperation and not treated partners as enemies, he might have generated more profit and became a respected figure in the Amiga community.

@number6

Impressive video, do you know if Ethernet, USB and Audio are working?

@OneTimer1

From the discord according to Dave:

SSD is working.
NVME is work in progress.
NIC and Audio not yet.

At this accelerated rate of progress, there might be updates again soonish.

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Backport OS4.x feature to OS3.2.x

Please, no, one can do much better than that.

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kolla wrote: Quote: Backport OS4.x feature to OS3.2.x Please, no, one can do much better than that.

Hyperion's AOS3.1+x needs
- TCP/IP stack
- RTG
- RTA
- Amiga Filesystems with a high compatibility for AOS4 (or MOS or AROS)

According to some postings, the API functions and development systems of AOS4.x have improved a lot in comparison to AOS3.1, updates on the AOS3.1+x package might be useful.

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RoadShow for 68k exists
P96 for 68k exists
AHI for 68k exists

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@Karlos

Geennaam is possibly Dutch - if so it means “no name� so poss anonymous.

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All the team members are Dutch except Trevor.

btw-nice to see you again.

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"Amiga Industrial Complex". But everyone loves the Amiga here. Doesn't love triumph all even Amiga politics?

The original goals for A1222 is reasonable but the entity who given advice for PPC e500 with end-of-life/dead end custom FPU is not wise.

There's R&D effort to make PPC e500's custom FPU to be compatible with normal FPU workloads. "Reinventing the wheel" is not advancing forward.

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The 68k Amiga remains a 2nd class citizen to PPC AmigaNOne even though the 68k "AmigaOS 4" clearly saved Hyperion and it is the only viable Amiga market. Hyperion may not be able to backport PPC AmigaOS 4 features because some development contracts between Hyperion and PPC AmigaOS 4 developers are limited to PPC. How ironic would it be if the Hyperion 68k AmigaOS must be considered "AmigaOS 4" in the 2009 Amiga Inc v Hyperion VOF settlement agreement but can not use the PPC "AmigaOS 4" source code?

The legal battle for developing "AmigaOS" outside of PPC is still ongoing.

(Bill McEwen) Amiga Inc's original contract with Hyperion is to port AmigaOS 3.1 68K into PPC AmigaOne, get paid for $25000 and transfer AmigaOS 3.1 PPC source code back to Amiga Inc. The main point with this contract is to exit from the 68060 dead-end road map.
The fact remains that PPC road maps are still active.

"AmigaOS 4" is just a paper shell since ExecSG software is owned by external legal entities.

(Bill McEwen) Amiga Inc. paid $41,050 after five years which is beyond $25000 original agreement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_AmigaOS_4_dispute

Even if Bill McEwen's Amiga Inc won its court case against Hyperion, Amiga Inc will get nothing since AmigaOS 4's core software is not owned by Hyperion. The whole drama is a train wreck.

In 2009, Hyperion Entertainment and Amiga, Inc. settled a dispute over the ownership and distribution of the AmigaOS operating system. The settlement granted Hyperion exclusive, perpetual, and worldwide rights to distribute and use AmigaOS 3.1 and earlier versions, and ownership of AmigaOS 4 and future versions. This agreement is in conflict with Cloanto's older AmigaOS 1.x/.2.x/3.x rights.

Amithlon 2.0 adventure before the Amithlon train wreck.
http://www.bambi-amiga.co.uk/amigahistory/press/amithlon.html

June 23, 2002 - Snoqualmie, WA and Melbourne, Australia - Amiga, Inc. today announced the cross licensing of Amithlon 2.0. The agreement was made with the author and the inspiration behind Amithlon, Bernd “Bernie� Meyer.

As part of the agreement, Amiga will license Kickstart 3.1 and portions of Amiga OS 3.9 to be distributed as part of Amithlon 2.0. In turn, Amiga will actively promote and license Amithlon 2.0 to OEM customers looking for an Amiga emulator on x86 platforms.

Bill McEwen, Amiga President and CEO, said, “Bernie has been a good friend and partner to Amiga. I first demonstrated a beta version of Amithlon almost a year ago at the Sacramento show. Even then the quality of the product and its potential were obvious to me. Since then it has become a more polished, a clear reflection of the passion and skills that Bernie brings to the table.�


https://amiga.net.au/aug.org.au/augmag/WB_July_2002.pdf
Page 9 of 16, Amithlon tangled up with Haage & Partner's Amiga XL (QNX) interest direction.
Amiga Inc. didn't want Haage & Partner's Amiga XL (QNX) distraction. The problem with Haage & Partner's Amiga XL fork is QNX is another commercial OS platform.

https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=24294&forum=2&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#405227
Benie's statement on this matter. Benie's contract with Haage & Partner has a legal indemnity clause and Benie doesn't want to take a legal risk when Haage & Partner haven't paid Amiga IP license fees. This legal entanglements killed "AmigaOS 3.x x86" pathway.

For work contracts, the solution is a limited liability company (legal entity) e.g. Bernie Meyer Pty Ltd. This is similar to Ben Hermans BV i.e. a limited liability shell legal entity.

When I have a contract work as a side gig, it's behind a Pty Ltd company.

Unlike Haage & Partner, Retro Games Ltd paid their Amiga IP fees (via Cloanto).

My point is against
https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/washington/wawdce/2:2007cv00631/143245/28/
Page 3 of 25's claims of "Amiga Incorporated had lost any interest in the classic AmigaOS" i.e. Amiga Inc issued AmigaOS 3.1 and parts of AmigaOS 3.9 IP license to Benie's Amithlon project.

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That would make a lot of sense then!

Ta mate, it’s good to be back

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Kronos wrote: RoadShow for 68k exists

True, but an AOS released after AOS3.9 should have a working TCP/IP stack out of the box, it should be more than a AOS3.1 with some bug fixes.

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OneTimer1 wrote: it should be more than a AOS3.1 with some bug fixes.

But that is it's mission statement.
And honestly that is all a real 68k could run anyways.

If you wanna go with fake-retro/half-a### "NG" emulated on ARM/x86/FPGA you shouldn't have a problem with just running some 3.x/AROS mishmash....

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OneTimer1 wrote: @Kronos Quote: Kronos wrote: RoadShow for 68k exists True, but an AOS released after AOS3.9 should have a working TCP/IP stack out of the box, it should be more than a AOS3.1 with some bug fixes.

Why? Roadshow for 68k is in a much better condition than the OS4 variant, which is way behind. Because reasons, release coordination etc. OS3 also has USB stacks that are way better than OS4, thanks to not being part of the OS.

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another new Mirari vid

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@OneTimer1

Only some dos.library functions, I think should be backported. It makes sense that OS3.2.x also access large files. But that’s missing. Sure 680x0 is slow..

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True, but an AOS released after AOS3.9 should have a working TCP/IP stack out of the box

It made more sense to include TCP/IP when 3.9 was released than it does now.

Most of the people who bought 3.9 only had Amiga hardware, so their only way to access the internet at home would be to get their Amiga online. Amiga web browsers of the time could access most of the web.

Neither case is true nowadays.

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Neither case is true nowadays.

On PiStorm32-RPi CM4-Emu68 with faster RPi WiFi and A1200, I use 68K Windows RDP into my home Windows Server 2025 on a decommissioned cheapo 28 cores Broadwell Dell workstation (used for NAS file server role and Hyper-V test farm).

Without the MX keys upgrade, A1200's squishy keyboard wouldn't survive keyboard warrior duties.

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/half-a### "NG"

LOL, how about AmigaNONE?

The original AmigaOS 4 PowerPC contract between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion Entertainment is one of the AmigaNG paths. If this original contract is enforced, Amiga Inc. gets nothing since AmigaOS 4.x's source code is owned by other parties.

Bill McEwen's Amiga Inc. should have directly contracted the ExecSG authors instead of wasting $41,050 on a lawyer overhead middleman known as Ben Herman. The entire mess shows Bill McEwen being a noob with software development out sourcing.

There is no benefit exchange for Amiga Inc. when it partnered with Hyperion Entertainment.

Amiga Inc's AmigaOS 3.1 source code remains frozen in 68K instead of being ported to an active road map CPU family like PowerPC, ARM and, etc.

Mike Battilana's Amiga Corporation has been handed a hot potato mess with the original AmigaOS 4 PowerPC contract mess, with a one-sided forced 2009 agreement.

Legally, A-EON camp's "System 54" is not "AmigaOS", it's no different from MorphOS.

Ideally, Hyperion Entertainment's AmigaOS 3.1.x developers and Amiga Corporation should create a unified legal entity e.g. The Amiga Foundation. All users of Amiga source code IP must return source code changes back to the Amiga Foundation. If this sounds like GPL, so be it.

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