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number6 wrote: @OldFart Well, between multiple discords and the websites we have our hands full with keeping up with the updates. heh. btw-I expect the project will be mentioned here in a few minutes: Trevor speaks at the show #6

So DID Trevor mention this new board?

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Obviously.

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Any word on AmigaOS4 development to get it working on Mirari?

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Not obvious. What did he say? No video recordings are available, just your word.

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Not obvious. What did he say? No video recordings are available, just your word.

Trevor is the most famous member of the Mirari Team. Obviously, the Miriari Team would not have missed the chance to get Trevor a Mirari t-shirt for the show to promote the board.



If you want to speed up AmigaOS 4 development for the Mirari board, buy an A1222. If you want a RGL THEA1200 then too bad. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain pulling the strings.

@matthey

Funny?! I'm still none the wiser as to whether an AmigaOS port is on the cards! Hyperion are a shell, Trevor holds ExecSG and there's a warehouse of A1222 Plus machines to sell! Smells like Troika but with the correct PCB layout process (because we have PCBWay now)!

Yeah, a THEA1200 purchase would be a lot cleaner and you'd have more of an idea that the money goes to people that love the Amiga and retro computing rather than A-EON R&D debt and the Hyperion litigious behemoth!

However, I'm sure the Window>Show All Files and Window>Snapshot All simulator will be at least 400% better under AmigaOS4.x on the Mirari board compared to any other Amiga-like machine known to man!

"Only Amiga!"

P.S. I wish Trevor well but the A1222 Plus was a mistake!

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Funny?! I'm still none the wiser as to whether an AmigaOS port is on the cards! Hyperion are a shell, Trevor holds ExecSG and there's a warehouse of A1222 Plus machines to sell! Smells like Troika but with the correct PCB layout process (because we have PCBWay now)!

As I recall, Dave "Skateman" Koelman said on Amiga.net Discord that there were more Mirari prototype boards on the way (10?) which were necessary for AmigaOS 4 development as development is more spread out than MorphOS. I have not heard any commitment from Hyperion, Trevor, A-Eon, or individual AmigaOS developers. Joerg mentioned there could be a problem with Hyperion AmigaOS 4 developer contracts without the board being an "AmigaOne" or their individual contracts renegotiated and some of the AmigaOS 4 developers are no longer on good terms with Hyperion (some have sued Hyperion including likely him predating the 2009 settlement agreement between Amiga Inc and Hyperion). There has been some blame toward Cloanto/Amiga Corporation for the current legal situation where Amiga related businesses are being more careful but I do not believe Michele wants to block the Mirari board and would likely be more than happy to trade the unblocking of the RGL THEA1200 for approval of the Mirari board. The lack of AmigaOS 4 development for Mirari is clearly due to the incompetence and disorganized AmigaOS 4 development by Ben Hermans, Trevor's meddling and likely more control of AmigaOS 4 development than Hyperion while having a major conflict of interest with his own hardware production and Hyperion's financial situation as they are on the brink of bankruptcy again and not doing much about it. Without Hyperion changing course, I predict they will be bankrupt before AmigaOS 4 is available for the Mirari board. The legal mess may grow with Hyperion gone as Joerg has claimed developer contracts were not transferable to Amiga Inc so they may not be transferable to anyone. Some of AmigaOS 4 may become unusable and unrecoverable for further AmigaOS development. The remaining AmigaOS 4 source code and the 68k AmigaOS code may become more open and cheaper as needs to happen for lower priced hardware anyway. Expensive general purpose OSs are not practical with so many free and open OSs and no AmigaOS has anywhere near competitive desktop features. The AmigaOS is being held hostage by the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate who are charging a premium price for a noncompetitive AmigaOS they are "protecting" from improvement.

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Yeah, a THEA1200 purchase would be a lot cleaner and you'd have more of an idea that the money goes to people that love the Amiga and retro computing rather than A-EON R&D debt and the Hyperion litigious behemoth!

The Mirari and THEA1200 are much different products with much different price points. The Mirari is an expensive antiquated board that is considered cheap in PPC Amiga Neverland and THEA1200 is a full size toy facade that is considered high performance in 68k Amiga Neverland. Only the Amiga industrial complex makes it possible.

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However, I'm sure the Window>Show All Files and Window>Snapshot All simulator will be at least 400% better under AmigaOS4.x on the Mirari board compared to any other Amiga-like machine known to man!

My CSMK3 68060@75MHz with UltraSCSI drive, PFS filesystem, ThoR's layers.library and RTG/chunky graphics makes Workbench window operations snappy. It may have been surpassed by some FPGA 68k hardware using NAND/flash/SSD drives and even with WinUAE emulation on x86-64 hardware. I doubt any 68k Amiga drives are up to the NVMe drive bandwidth of the Mirari board but they do not need to be for practically instantaneous Workbench window updates and 68k executables are much smaller than PPC executables. Slow Workbench window updates should be a thing of the past on semi-modern 68k hardware that is 10% of the price of a PPC Mirari system. It should have been a thing of the past already in the mid 1990s but Commodore gave us the cheapest possible unbuffered IDE drive interfaces and AGA still using 1970s NMOS chip fab processes with no chunky support.

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"Only Amiga!" P.S. I wish Trevor well but the A1222 Plus was a mistake!

I think even Trevor realizes the A1222 was a mistake but it would not surprise me if he throws more good money after bad and builds more A1222 boards for his inventory of SoC chips. He has already doubled down if not tripled down on his Amiga 600 like A1222 mistake. An A1222 price reduction could be a sign of upcoming AmigaOS 4 development for the Mirari board. There is a lot of pressure on the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate to support the Mirari board and not supporting it makes them look corrupt and incompetent. MorphOS owns them right now.

@matthey

Great to see MorphOS running on this new board

Would love to have MorphOS running on my X1000 too someday

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@matthey

In theory, X5000 (PPC e5500 via QorIQ P5020/P5040) "System 54" should be able to run on Mirari (PPC e5500 via QorIQ T10x2). The reality, HAL, and the firmware abstraction layer seem to be poorly designed. That's the same CPU generation that requires a software "port" is a joke.

Frozen Windows NT 3.51 build state + the open-source Universal ATA driver can run on the latest PC with UEFI CSM. Open-source Universal ATA driver from http://alter.org.ua/en/soft/win/uni_ata/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIbeV1BYyOo
Running Windows NT 3.51 on modern hardware: AMD Ryzen 9 / Intel 13th Gen, bare metal, no emulation. Open-source Universal ATA driver demonstration. The superiority of PC's standards, while it's a chaotic mess in the embedded world.

The difference i.e. drivers should be open source while the OS itself can be closed source forzen OS build.
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but Commodore gave us the cheapest possible unbuffered IDE drive interfaces and AGA still using 1970s NMOS chip fab processes with no chunky support.

Amiga's two-color mode is 1-bit chunky. :P

The missing function is an 8-bit chunky pixel.

Both Atari Falcon and Amiga 1200 are missing the 8-bit chunky pixel feature. Atari Falcon has 16-bit chunky pixels.

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@matthey

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If you want to speed up AmigaOS 4 development for the Mirari board, buy an A1222

This is probably true. I find it unlikely that trevor will invest and pay for ExecSG to be ported to this board unless all a1222 boards he has on his hands have all been sold first.


But anyway, does it matter? From AOne, A1000, A5000, A1222 wekind of recognice the pattern.
The OS will be released 5 years late and will be missing essential drivers. Like sound, usb, ...

Does X1000 even have functional drivers for the HW right now?
This is how long until OS4 supports a new board.

@Thread

Happy Birthday Amiga! Just more infighting over the scraps of IP and aging code.15 years on from Bletchley Park and it just feels needlessly hard to get machines to market!

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@matthey

If the community has learned at least one thing, it is:

Don't order fan T-Shirts before the product is available.

https://www.spreadshirt.de/shop/design/keep+calm+and+press+key+ctrl+a+a+retro+reset+maenner+premium+pullover-D5fdd1c7fce0ae7780e5eb4e7?sellable=LnNYeY9zLzUgYq2kOEAy-1432-26

@V8

Why does ExecSG need to be "ported" to another PPC e5500-based platform? Is the HAL design incompetent?

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Hammer Quote:

Why does ExecSG need to be "ported" to another PPC e5500-based platform? Is the HAL design incompetent?

PPC has PReP (PPC Reference Platform), CHIRP (Common Hardware Reference Platform) and OpenPOWER standards while AmigaOS 4 supports U-boot and a HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) to boot. These are major technology advances far surpassing any 68k Amiga standardization. It is not like the 68k AmigaOS would magically boot on any 68k Amiga hardware as it is much too primitive and lacks proper abstraction.

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PPC has PReP (PPC Reference Platform), CHIRP (Common Hardware Reference Platform) and OpenPOWER standards while AmigaOS 4 supports U-boot and a HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) to boot.

Windows NT 4.0 PPC follows PReP, but other PPC vendors didn't follow the same standard, hence a chaotic PPC system ecosystem.

C= 68k Amiga Autoconfig ecosystem compliance has been cloned in many FPGA implementations.

Emu68 reconfigurates RPi into C= 68k Amiga Autoconfig compliance. PiStorm32-Emu68 standalone would follow C= 68k Amiga Autoconfig compliance. PiStorm32-Emu68 is cloned due to open source.

Windows NT 4.0 x86 boots on a modern PC with UEFI CSM. Universal ATA open source drivers allow modern PC chipset mass storage support for frozen Windows NT 4.0 x86 closed source.

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Its amazing seeing this new PPC board already running great with MorphOS so congrats to the MorphOS team

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