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The pattern in gold and brown would make a nice overpriced bag for the wife of a C= fan.

Yep, all these avenues need exploring once the limited market for new FPGA C64s dries up (surely already tapped with the C64 Mini/Maxi)?

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An important factor for many is that the Ultimate 64 has sockets for two real SID chips, and audio can be modified like on real C64 for those who wish to use it more as a synth than a gaming system. However, the ultimate 64 has existed for years already… but this time, it comes with case and keyboard.

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Ack! It's a retro product, bringing back Commodore would mean something completely different. Commodore was selling up to date Personal Computers and Home Computers when they where active. If they would exist like they where back than, they would sell x86-64 or maybe ARM hardware, cheap hardware including Laptops, Tablets and Mobile Phones without or without own OS based on Linux, maybe they would only exist as rebadging and marketing company.

Yes, Commodore sold x86 PCs back then. In fact, it looks like they tried to pivot away from the Amiga and back to commodity PCs when Mehdi Ali put Bill Sydnes in charge of engineering. He brought in more PC engineers which easily outnumbered the number of Amiga engineers according to Dave Haynie. Commodore was likely going to let the Amiga wind down and die. Then the C64 market died and the PC market crashed leaving the Amiga market as the most profitable market for Commodore but they had stopped investing in an Amiga product pipeline. The commodity PC market was easier than developing the Amiga but management should have known that commodity hardware producers have no pricing power. Dave Haynie said Commodore payed more to produce their PCs at one point in the 1990s than they could sell them for which is entirely possible. I have also witnessed negative profit margins on some commodity PCs which are sold at a loss with the hope of high margin accessories making up the difference. For the desktop, it was usually the low end models sold at a loss. Oddly, this is flipped for the RPi where the RPi's margins for the high end RPi 5 are lower while accessory profits have increased (heat sinks, fans, ventilated cases, high rated power cables, etc.). There is not much competition for standard small footprint hardware at the low end of the market where RPi started but the competition heats up as SBCs approach $100 USD, including from x86-64 SBCs which are more standardized with more software than most ARM embedded hardware.

The new Commodore really does not want to continue like the Jack Tramiel or the Irving Gould Commodore. Simply rebadging and recasing PC or ARM commodity hardware results in higher priced hardware for nostalgic 50+ year olds. This market will disappear with the C64 fans and then the Amiga fans. Competitive hardware is needed to attract new and younger users and the best place is very cheap small footprint hobby/retro/toy hardware competing with RPi offerings. Current Commodore and Amiga fans want more faithful hardware anyway as the majority of the community rejected the Commodore 64x but accepted the more faithful Commodore 64u. The majority of the Amiga market rejected the non-faithful PPC AmigaNOne commodity embedded hardware. The Commodore 64u likely outsold the Commodore 64x in 2-3 days and will likely outsell over a decade of AmigaNOne hardware in about 5 days. The faithful and competitive C64DTV hardware with 70,000 units sold on the first day, likely outsold the Commodore 64x in 30 minutes on the first day and the AmigaNOne over a decade of sales in less than 2 hours on the first day. The C64 is past its window of opportunity but the 68k Amiga is not. It needs faithful and competitive hardware like the C64DTV but much better because the technology can be brought forward much further while retaining compatibility. It would be more expensive to develop but production costs should not be much more than a C64 SoC ASIC. It may require joining forces financially to develop it. I have known a 68k Amiga ASIC SoC is needed for a long time and I sound like a broken record. It should have been started years ago which I attempted as part the Apollo team but Gunnar was not investment worthy. One of the most desirable case form factors is pretty clear which is the A1200. Amiga Corporation, RGL, AmigaKit and possibly the new Commodore, as the Commodore A1200, are wanting to use the "A1200". There is already the FPGA based A1200 MiSTer+MiSTress that could receive similar treatment as the Commodore C64u to reduce the price of a package deal. There was a rumor that the RGL A1200 Maxi is also FPGA based. The problem is that the Amiga market is divided and resources are wasted instead of investing in more competitive hardware and improving economies of scale together. How many FPGA based A1200s do we need in the $200-400 USD price range? Would they sell that well with other options like original 68060 Amigas, WinUAE/Amiga Forever, AROS x86-64 hardware, MorphOS Macs, AC/Vamp hardware (closed IP FPGA based), etc.? Maybe FPGA Amigas would attract some returning Amiga users and replace dying ancient 68k Amigas but how many new and younger generation users would it attract compared to the RPi 400/500 that is less than half the price and has much more performance and value?

OneTimer1 Quote:

You can specialize on keyboard computers like the C64 (with all it technological downs) but the breadbox design is mainly retro and to bulky for actual users.

The wedge or breadbox design can be slimmed down to keyboard size with modern "integration" technology if the power is not too high.



Integration of the Amiga chipset is what made the Amiga possible. The Amiga was sometimes criticized for using a SoC like chipset instead of discreet parts like PCs but the integrated Amiga way is becoming more popular, cheaper and offers higher performance. Commodore stopped integrating the Amiga and Commodore and the Amiga died. The 68k Amiga SoC they planned was expected to reduce the price of an AGA Amiga by $100 USD, according to internal Commodore documentation, which likely would have saved Commodore. It also would have reduced the size of a SBC and the CMOS design would have reduced the power. The logic of even the most modern 68060 Amiga is tiny by today's standards and could be mass produced very cheap, less than $1 USD for a 68060&AA+ ASIC SoC without modern enhancements. With fabless semiconductor development, it should be possible to produce competitive 68k Amigas hardware again that can proliferate like RPi hardware instead of EOL retro emulation and FPGA hardware.

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Really happy this is happening.

Also, happy for Leo that he is participating, he used to post here in the C=USA days, I hope he comes back.

I'm planning on buying the C64U this autumn. Really interested to see where they go from here.

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I think the rumoured $2 million it cost to buy the trademark, is likely the right value.

I wish them well, I will be interested if and when this has any impact on the Amiga world.

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With small breadbox/wedge/AIO computers and Leo Nigro being brought up in this thread, I noticed on lemon64.com in a discussion about the new Commodore, a pic of the Vic Slim with Commodore branding and C= keys that I had never seen before.

https://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1057471&sid=481d0517b1dee4a457adda7b8f5a9973#p1057471

I followed the pic link to https://www.commodoreos.net and found more than the Vic Slim.

https://www.commodoreos.net/CUSA_VICSlim.aspx Quote:

https://www.commodoreos.net/CUSA_VICPro.aspx
https://www.commodoreos.net/CUSA_Amiga1000.aspx
https://www.commodoreos.net/CUSA_Amiga2000.aspx
https://www.commodoreos.net/CUSA_Amiga3000.aspx
https://www.commodoreos.net/CUSA_FutureModels.aspx Quote:


The pic on the FutureModels page is also on the https://amigang.com/prototype-concept-amiga/ website page which is a modernized A1200 style. Many pages of this Commodore USA, LLC website have the following trademark info at the bottom.

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Commodore® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and is the trademark of Commodore Licensing, BV, registered in the United States and other countries. Amiga® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and is the trademark of Amiga Inc., registered in the United States and other countries.

Commodore USA claimed to have the Amiga trademark licensed for AIO keyboards even though none of the Amiga models above were AIO, except future models. There are rumors that the new Commodore is considering producing a Commodore A1200 which makes this historic site more interesting.

https://www.commodoreos.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx Quote:

CTO Leo Nigro is the Chief Technology Officer of Commodore USA, LLC. Mr. Nigro has IT industry experience spanning almost twenty years, in which he has worked on several large scale enterprise projects in the United States, Europe and Australia for fortune 500 companies. He has participated in numerous software projects covering such diverse areas as eCommerce, Customer Relationship Management, Sales Program Management, Investment Management, Insurance, Order Management, Risk Management, Part Cataloging, Call Center, Billing Systems and large scale software deployment. During his career Leo has worn many caps such as Business Analyst, Software Architect and Project Manager, and has designed and developed numerous web and desktop applications, services and software products. Leo attributes his early programming experiences on his Commodore 64 during childhood, and later his Commodore Amiga during adolescence, to his interest in technology, and passion for computing, which led to attaining a Computer Science degree, and ultimately a career in the field of Information Technology. Leo is truly "Generation Commodore".

The last news for the website was from 2011 so is quite old. The products are also including the Vic Slim which required a custom motherboard instead of allowing a drop in standard form factor motherboard.

https://www.commodoreos.net/CUSA_VICSlim.aspx Quote:

It's hard to believe it's a Computer at all. If you thought computers had to be big, bulky and noisy then you've been mistaken. The VIC-Slim is a fully functional computer the size of a standard full-length keyboard, capable of running modern PC software. Despite its diminutive size it packs a lot of punch, with its 1.8Ghz Dual Core Intel Atom D525 processor, fast DDR3 memory and integrated WiFi (802.11b/g/n). Simply connect it to any size computer monitor and it's ready to run. ... Extremely Power Efficient and Whisper Quiet. The VIC-Slim is one of the most power efficient computers on the market with a power consumption of less than 17.5 Watts, which is one eighth of a traditional desktop PC. It is also whisper quiet at under 27 decibels. The VIC-Slim also has built in stereo speakers, five USB ports, one MIC In, a stereo headphone socket, a LAN port, a VGA port and a COM port.

An in-order Intel Atom x86-64 SoC was used to allow such low power consumption. This is the Bonnell architecture that is based on the P5 Pentium the 68060 destroyed in Power Performance Area (PPA).

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/microarchitectures/bonnell Quote:

Overview Bonnell's architecture shares very little in common with other Intel designs. To achieve the strict ultra-low power objects, Bonnell features a very slimmed down design discarding many high-performance techniques used by Intel's high-performance architectures such as aggressive speculative execution, out-of-order execution, and µop transformation. Part of the design requirement was that Bonnell retain full x86 compatibility, up to the latest extension - at one tenth of the power consumption of the Pentium M. This meant any software is now 100% compatible but it forced engineers to deal with all the baggage the architecture brought along. The decision to offer full compatibility brought its own set of benefits such as access to the largest software code base in the world, including the ability to run any other x86 operating system unmodified. At the same time it forced the design team to resort to other means of reducing power. Up to Bonnell, all of Intel's existing architectures put very low priority on power efficiency (note that this has significantly changed since the introduction of Sandy Bridge). High-performance, high-throughput, complex designs are simply inadequate for the kind of power goals required out of Bonnell, even if they were trimmed down. It was decided that Bonnell would be designed from the scratch with power goals in mind. For those reasons Bonnell resembles the P5 microarchitecture. Pipeline Much like the original P5 microarchitecture, Bonnell consists of an in-order dual-issue pipeline. The pipeline is shown below. Note the pipeline is duplicated for dual-issue execution.

I have compared the 68060 to P54C Pentium before which both use 3.3V and a 500nm chip fab process.

Metric | 68060 | P54C Pentium
Power 5.5W@75MHz 9.5W@75MHz (+73% for Pentium)
Performance 1.20 0.82 (+46% for 68060)
Area 2.5million 3.3million (+32% for Pentium)

Power is max or worst case Watts. Performance is integer performance from the ByteMark benchmark (https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=45085&forum=33&start=780&794#867044). PPA is important for embedded use but even floating point heavy programs like Photoshop are ~94% integer instructions (https://www-appuntidigitali-it.translate.goog/18054/statistiche-su-x86-x64-parte-1-macrofamiglie-di-istruzioni/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp). Transistor counts are used as an estimate of area.

The 68060 owned the P54C Pentium aided by better orthogonality, twice as many GP integer registers and better code density. Bonnell "forced engineers to deal with all the baggage the architecture brought along" which increased since the P54C Pentium including x86-64 support as customers pushed Intel for full support of newer software instead of the original x86 support. The first Bonnell single core CPUs used 47.2 million transistors while the dual core D525 Atom Pineview with integrated Intel GPU used 176 million transistors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_processors#Atom_D525

One of the sad things about the commodoreos.net site is the strategic parntners.

https://www.commodoreos.net/CUSA_StrategicPartners.aspx Quote:


Motorola is mentioned as a strategic partner but everything is Intel inside. Throw away good tech and use easy tech. It is not just the Motorola and Amiga hardware that was to be thrown away but the AmigaOS too.

https://www.commodoreos.net/CUSA_AboutAmiga.aspx Quote:

Our modern day AMIGA incarnation will feature Commodore OS, a distinctive, attractive, advanced and stable Operating System experience, that will come pre-loaded with dozens of the latest and greatest productivity and creativity software the open source world has to offer. Featuring dozens of exciting 3D games, the latest web browsing technology, a Microsoft Word compatible Office Suite, advanced graphical manipulation programs, 3D raytracing software, advanced software development tools and languages, photo and movie editing and sound and music composition programs, there is no task too big or too small for an AMIGA to accomplish. Commodore OS will also be classic Commodore compatible, with the ability to run classic 8-bit, 16-bit and 32-bit era software via emulation. Our next generation AMIGA also provides optimum software flexibility by providing the option to run Windows software either from a dual boot menu at start up, or seamlessly integrated within Commodore OS itself.

Easy assimilation did not work with the C64x even though that was likely the original goal for obtaining the Commodore IP. They learned quickly faithful hardware is more viable with the C64u which is more than I can say about the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate after more than a decade but then they have the wrong Amiga IP and can not survive without stealing the viable IP they would need. At least the new Commodore appears to buy their Commodore/Amiga IP instead of stealing it. The question is, does anyone want to get serious and work together to produce faithful and competitive Commodore/Amiga hardware again with a sustainable market?

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3,999 of the C64Us presold as of just now. Dang, I wish I could be Number 4000. But I am waiting for funds to move into a particular account. So, yeah. I think I'll join the fun tomorrow and order one of these suckers. :)

NEXT MORNING EDIT: The deed has been done.

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This is the Bonnell architecture that is based on the P5 Pentium the 68060 destroyed in Power Performance Area (PPA).

Not correct.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnell_(microarchitecture)

Bonnell architecture translates x86 instructions (CISC instructions) into simpler internal operations (sometimes referred to as micro-ops, effectively RISC style instructions) prior to execution.


Bonnell includes P6's "post-RISC" improvements.

Bonnell microarchitecture is NOT based on the P5 microarchitecture.

Bonnell includes 64-bit ALUs, X86-64, hyper-threading, and SSE/SSE2/SSE3/SSSE3, which are missing on the P5 microarchitecture.

P5 microarchitecture has an FPU pipeline attached to one of the integer pipelines, which is not the case for the Bonnell microarchitecture.

View https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/File:bonnell_block_diagram.svg

Bonnell integer group:
Port 0: Load Addrs, Store Addrs, ALU, Shift&Rotate,
Port 1: LEA, Stack, ALU, Branch,

Bonnell FP/SIMD group:
Port 0: Vect ALU, Vect Shuffle, Vect MUL, FP MUL, FP Mov, FP ROM, FP DIV, FP Store,
Port 1: Vect ALU, FP ADD.

Bonnell has FOUR ports to feed multiple pipelines.

Bonnell's instruction L1 cache fetch rate is 16 bytes (128 bits) per cycle.

Bonnell has 16 to 19 stage pipelines.


Bonnell's design team was led by Elinora Yoeli. While Yoeli previously worked in her native country (Israel), Bonnell was a US design and was unconnected to any of Intel's projects worked on by the Israel Design Center in Haifa. Previously, Yoeli led the Israeli team in the development of Pentium M.

Bonnell is not based on P5. Bonnell is a new microarchitecture.

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CommodoreUSA is a flash of the past, they really came on to the scene and created quite a stir in 2010, I dont think they ever obtained the copyrights and just went ahead with using the trademarks before launching. (lol) I think it was latter cleared up they could licences the Commodore Name, but I dont think they ever got official permission to use Amiga. Then there CEO passed away, sadly and I think all there plans and projects were basically scrapped after that.

I do remember how badly they talked to the community, compared to the new Commodore. They even contacted me and tried to take my site / youtube channel down for this fun little vid i did on them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlDagZX1vWI
Which i only did as i think i remembered they threatened legal action on a number of users and sites over just using the Amiga name in the site. I think even this site got targeted (but I cant quite remember, its many years ago)

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Bonnell includes 64-bit ALUs, X86-64, hyper-threading, and SSE/SSE2/SSE3/SSSE3, which are missing on the P5 microarchitecture. P5 microarchitecture has an FPU pipeline attached to one of the integer pipelines, which is not the case for the Bonnell microarchitecture. View https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/File:bonnell_block_diagram.svg

Extending 32-bit lines to 64-bit lines does not change the basic core design. Adding new features does not change the basic core design. Both Pentium P5 and Bonnell FPU instructions pass through the first integer execution pipeline (P5 Pentium u pipe and Bonnell ALU0/port0 pipe). Look at the diagram you linked and follow the arrows. The P5 Pentium has the hack to execute a FPU FXCH instruction in the 2nd integer v pipeline while Bonnell deprecated the bad stack based FPU and replaced it with a SIMD unit/FPU so is not dependent on this hack.

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Bonnell integer group: Port 0: Load Addrs, Store Addrs, ALU, Shift&Rotate, Port 1: LEA, Stack, ALU, Branch, Bonnell FP/SIMD group: Port 0: Vect ALU, Vect Shuffle, Vect MUL, FP MUL, FP Mov, FP ROM, FP DIV, FP Store, Port 1: Vect ALU, FP ADD.

The Bonnell integer execution pipelines are similar to the Pentium P5 integer pipelines.

Bonnell
int pipe 0: Load/Store (AGU0), ALU0, Shift&Rotate (barrel shifter), MUL/DIV
int pipe 1: LEA (AGU1), Stack (AGU1?), ALU1, Branch

Pentium P5
int pipe u: Load/Store (AGU0), ALU0, Shift&Rotate (barrel shifter), MUL/DIV
int pipe v: LEA (AGU1), ALU1, Branch

The difference from the diagram is the "Stack" and I do not see what difference it makes as PUSH/POP can not be superscalar executed on either Bonnell or the P5 Pentium. Notice the dedicated purposes in each pipe which cause structural hazards. It is much better to have more symmetric use of the pipes and a more orthogonal ISA.

68060
int pipe pOEP: Load/Store (AGU0), ALU0, Shift&Rotate (barrel shifter), MUL/DIV
int pipe sOEP: Load/Store (AGU1), ALU1, Shift&Rotate (barrel shifter)

The 68060 has most of the same hardware resources for either pipe which allows more superscalar execution of instructions and reduces the need for instruction scheduling.

The Superscalar Hardware Architecture of the MC68060
https://old.hotchips.org/wp-content/uploads/hc_archives/hc06/3_Tue/HC6.S8/HC6.8.3.pdf Quote:

Measured Performance o 1.2 CPI measured on a range of desktop and embedded applications o 45-55% of instructions issued as pairs/triplets (existing 680X0 code) o 50-65% of instructions issued as pairs/triplets (targeted 68060 code)

I expect the 68060 has better performance with unscheduled code than the P5 Pentium has with scheduled code at the same clock speed. The Bonnell design improved the integer performance over the P5 Pentium.

1. Bonnell mem access performance was improved with less microcoding

   inc mem ; 3 cycles on Pentium P5

   inc mem ; 1 cycle on Bonnell

   addq.l #1,mem ; 1 cycle on 68060

 32x32 is 9 cycles minimum for P5 Pentium
 32x32 is 5 cycles minimum for Bonnell
 32x32 is 2 cycles minimum for the 68060

 x86 - 8 GP registers (practically only 6)
 x86-64 - 16 GP registers
 68k - 16 GP registers

 FADD 3 cycles for P5 Pentium
 FMUL 5 cycles for P5 Pentium

 FADD 5 cycles for Bonnell
 FMUL 5 cycles for Bonnell

 FADD 3 cycles for 68060
 FMUL 3 cycles for 68060

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CommodoreUSA is a flash of the past, they really came on to the scene and created quite a stir in 2010, I dont think they ever obtained the copyrights and just went ahead with using the trademarks before launching. (lol) I think it was latter cleared up they could licences the Commodore Name, but I dont think they ever got official permission to use Amiga. Then there CEO passed away, sadly and I think all there plans and projects were basically scrapped after that. I do remember how badly they talked to the community, compared to the new Commodore. They even contacted me and tried to take my site / youtube channel down for this fun little vid i did on them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlDagZX1vWI Which i only did as i think i remembered they threatened legal action on a number of users and sites over just using the Amiga name in the site. I think even this site got targeted (but I cant quite remember, its many years ago)

Wow, the only reference from your video and video link is "This video has absolutely nothing to do with CommodoreUSA". Commodore/Amiga IP squatters and their shenanigans have been around for a long time. They usually get bolder and more arrogant like Hyperion and A-EonKit but from the CommodoreUSA legacy comes the new Commodore claiming the Commodore legacy instead but at least they bought the Commodore IP and have reconsidered their x86-64 Linux assimilation strategy. While the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate sinks to new lows, is the new Commodore rising above their past?

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It's pretty safe to say what the most popular topic is atm.

Also almost the only "boing ball" forum categories (Amiga) are solely about website performance.

That should indicate to anyone what is an active enterprise and what is not, right?

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From your video link:

"attacking Aros users"

Not that I remember. Perhaps a fact might help? You might be confusing Barry with Ben Hermans? Both name Do begin with a "B".

"Our American lawyers will take action against this.

This is blatant violation of the rights Hyperion Entertainment secured in the settlement agreement with Amiga Inc., Itec and Amino."

Source

I should add this is the same "Ben" that claimed "AROS is probably illegal"

A comment I've written about too many times...

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number6 wrote: From your video link: "attacking Aros users" Not that I remember.

IMR:

Barry offended many people in the Amiga forums and took an aggressive stance toward the Amiga community* who expressed their distrust.

Regarding Aros, I remember some comments that Aros supporters had had their chance and that he was now giving up on them.

I don't know what happened between him and some Aros supporters, although I was often on Aros forums back then.

Amiga Community*: Barry didn't talk or mentioned Hyperion or any thing related to AOS3, AOS4 or MOS, he may or may have not planed an Amiga look or sound a like product with x86-64 hardware, he was the type of 'It should look like it on the outside, no matter what it is in the inside' guy

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Barry offended many people in the Amiga forums and took an aggressive stance toward the Amiga community* who expressed their distrust.

Absolutely true.

Perhaps the current effort learned from the past effort, since they aren't promoting anything here on AW.

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3 newish trademarks filed by Commodore International Corporation

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Commodore Coins

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The future we were promised

I must admit, during my early C64 times I had other visions of future computing than in my Amiga times.

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That would be very wise! Until they have something tangible to offer us they should remain in the background IMHO. All that over-sentimental nostalgia nonsense doesn't wash here given the multiple disappointments and ongoing IP squatter nonsense stopping THEA1200 release! If they oil the tracks to allow THECommodore1200 or something similar to sidestep "the keyboard dustcover maker Ltd." then they have my eternal gratitude! �

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3 newish trademarks filed by Commodore International Corporation

Commodore/Amiga related trademark registrations that may not trigger a lawsuit? How boring. I like the "HONOURING THE PAST, INNOVATING THE FUTURE" slogan. I hope the new Commodore fulfills their slogan. Honoring the past and innovating the future at the same time is not easy.

I wonder if they could have or should have registered the more common US "Honoring" spelling with the USPTO rather than the English spelling. I expect it is close enough as I did not see a "Honour Among Thieves" trademark.

Honor Among Thieves (US)
Honour Among Thieves (English)

If the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate wanted this slogan, they may try to trademark the English spelling. "Honour Among Thieves" seems like an appropriate slogan for them too.

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Commodore/Amiga related trademark registrations that may not trigger a lawsuit?

2 are phrases you may have seen if you read everything about this effort.
The 3rd is, as stated just a name for a cash back/gift plan.

I don't see any challenges after publication coming for these, but....as you know...people do file nonsense objections just to be a a pest.

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