@number6

I have read that rant, yes. I think this unfortunate situation stems from the "use-it-or-lose-it" clause in the EU copyright act, famously used against Ferrari for the "Testarossa" trademark.

Call it a coincidence, though, I think it was 2 weeks ago Ferrari reversed the original loss and claimed the trademark back, so building a business on a trademark you don't own feels less than ideal.

Given Peri declared his openess to cooperate and let other companies sell C= products, I hope Simonetti's Commodore Industries could play smart and ask for a license to rebrand and sell his PCs and games.

I also hope the other Italian commodores, Canigiani's 5 Commodore variants he registered and dissolved, try to cooperate rather than keep trying the grab & run approach. I am sure Peri wouldn't mind offloading them the smartphone / tablet arm under license.

Daydreaming is still free after all

@IridiumFX

I still think the success of product like "THE500" or "THEC64" has shown some trademarks holders how much their unused trademarks have lost on value.

Would you like to buy a retro computer from CBM (Cooperative Business Machines) ?


CMB -> Typo, should have been CBM

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@OneTimer1

Yeah, CBM or CMB, chicken lips or baboon red bum crescents for all I care, it really is all irrelevant at this point. Just make good products that pay homage and bury nostalgia for actual trademarks. If it matters to you print your own C= sticker! I prefer the RGL logo on my Mini as at least it is honest! C=, Gould and Mehdi are gone and Jack was Atari by the end! Stick the 6% C= tax!

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@BigD

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BigD wrote: Yeah, CBM or CMB, chicken lips or baboon red bum crescents for all I care, it really is all irrelevant at this point. Just make good products that pay homage and bury nostalgia for actual trademarks. If it matters to you print your own C= sticker! I prefer the RGL logo on my Mini as at least it is honest! C=, Gould and Mehdi are gone and Jack was Atari by the end! Stick the 6% C= tax!

Couldn't agree more.

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@matthey

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matthey wrote: kolla Quote: How? Windows and Linux were multiprocess operating systems with schedulers that could assign processes (and virtual memory address space) to CPUs/cores depending on various criteria. AmigaOS is a single-process operating system, there is just _one_ process (exec) and its address-space is that of the hardware - this one process can only run on one processor. The AmigaOS use of preemptive multitasking and a micro kernel from release in 1985 should make supporting SMP easier. AROS was first released in 1995 before multi-core CPUs and SMP support were common yet x86-64 AROS comes the closest to SMP support.

The history of windows, unix and Linux is irrelevant, I have quoted here only what was relevant and it does not answer my question.

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@Kronos

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Kronos wrote: @kolla Well Windows did for sure start without SMP support Windows NT changed that soon enough.

Exactly, Microsoft had a future proof (at the time) modern path forward with NT.

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Linux started on 386 and while it may have been designed with SMP in mind it probably didn’t get tested till PentiumPro.

Not really relevant, the point is that both NT and Linux were multi-_process_ operating systems, where each process is given its own virtual memory space. With that in place, adding SMP support is mostly about scheduling. On Amiga there isn’t any virtual memory space per process, there is just _the_ memory space and it is that of the hardware, and only one process - exec.

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As for Amiga getting, think MacOS. Nothing prior to OSX had it and it’s debatable wether OSX really is macOS or just a new OS made to look a like.

It’s no secret that current macOS is a descendant from NeXTStep and aside from a few bits and bobs have nothing in common with old MacOS. Apple bought themselves out of the problem and it is unix based on BSD so they can do whatever the heck they wish with it. Amiga never had any equivalent to NeXTStep or NT.

To keep this vaguely on-topic - who owns the rights to AMIX at this point anyhow? Does this new incarnation of Commodore have any plans for future activities beyond selling the Ultimate 64 to an already quite saturated market that is largely also collectors rather than users?

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kolla wrote: Not really relevant, the point is that both NT and Linux were multi-_process_ operating systems, where each process is given its own virtual memory space. With that in place, adding SMP support is mostly about scheduling. On Amiga there isn’t any virtual memory space per process, there is just _the_ memory space and it is that of the hardware, and only one process - exec. ... current macOS is a descendant from NeXTStep and aside from a few bits and bobs have nothing in common with old MacOS. Apple bought themselves out of the problem and it is unix based on BSD so they can do whatever the heck they wish with it. Amiga never had any equivalent to NeXTStep or NT.

WindowsNT was a Windows 3.x GUI and API selection running in an VMS like kernel, it didn't matter much if that GUI ran on DOS or something with SMP.

Same goes for OSX, its some kind of BSD-Unix kernel with an Mac GUI on top of it.

The idea is not different from Unix/Linux X111 for GFX with a windows manager on top and a kernel below everything.

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Can we port this idea to AmigaOS?

Not really because the applications are writing over shared memory into system structures, maybe it could have been possible to have a mock-up of such structures for every application, read/write access from the application would have seen as a signal for the OS-Kernel to get those changes.

But somehow I don't like this idea and not because such an OS would need a new kernel, the idea of interpreting AOS like structures from the OS and a GUI system, seems cumbersome and slow to me.

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@OneTimer1

many years ago MS and Apple switch to VMS and unix
they just port gui and graphics and cut off everything below
this is what should be done on amiga
instead of aros x86 and emu68 at switch to not compatible with old amiga software cpu like x86/arm

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@ppcamiga1

and this should be done by szulc, szonwejs, di mauro, kolla hammer etc
first zune should be made compatible with mui
then ported to unix

@ppcamiga1

I’m not interested in doing that in my private time. Sorry darling!
But since you are the best programmer in whole amiga world, better than AmigaOS creators, you can do that yourself. How about that?

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New APIs old software in a sandbox like UAE, this could be done. Unfortunately the AmigaOS is owned by rather complicated companies.

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ppcamiga1 wrote: instead of aros x86 and emu68 at switch to not compatible with old amiga software cpu like x86/arm

AROS is available in hoisted variant, using a new and modern kernel,
some distributions provide compatibility to AOS3.x over JanusUAE.
And the source code could be used without legal trouble.

What is really missing is AROS are new APIs, I'm sure that can be done in cooperation with the AOS3 application developers, an application layer for future applications could use such a layer providing compatibility for all AmigaOS look a like systems.

@OneTimer1

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What is really missing is AROS are new APIs

New APIs for what?

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@michalsc

szulc stop trolling and start working on zune
everything what you do was worth nothing shit
do something usefull

@OneTimer1

this runtime is crap like rest what aros clowns do
what is really needed is just good open source mui clone
no new api just mui on top of unix

@ppcamiga1

Darling, I'm still not interested in doing things for you for free. And to work for you commercially, you are too poor and way too UNIMPORTANT and MEANINGLESS for me ;)

Do the work yourself. Prove that you are something more than a stupid copy&paste troll ;)

@ppcamiga1

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what is really needed is just good open source mui clone no new api just mui on top of unix

We already have that, why don't you use it?

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@OneTimer1

Because user went to other platforms like for example XBOX for play som cool games does not be the same as people give up use their Amiga computers? I not see the conflict here.
sometime I use my smart phone, sometimes I use my XBOX SX, most times I use my X5000 and sometimes i want play on a C64..

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@michalsc

szulc stop trolling start working on zune

@kolla

still not compatible with original mui

@ppcamiga1

I don’t care you Hamster. And I’m not interested in your request.

What will you do now?