@kolla

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kolla wrote: @OneTimer1 Quote: What is really missing is AROS are new APIs New APIs for what?

For the 100 of application developers who are waiting for a really modern Amiga(like)OS with SMP, memory protection ...

*/sarcasm* ... (just in case you haven't got it yet)

@OneTimer1

This new API is not needed.
For really modern Amiga(like)OS with memory protection, drivers, SMP
everything below gui and graphics should be cut off and replaced by unix.
Exactly as Apple do.

It should be done at switch to x86 or arm.
shits like aros x86 and emu68 should be dropped.

szulc, szonwejs, abot, carlos, di mauro etc
should hard work on zune to get it compatible with mui
then port it ot unix

@ppcamiga1

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szulc, szonwejs, abot, carlos, di mauro etc should hard work on zune to get it compatible with mui then port it ot unix

And ofcourse, your wish and unfounded opinion is their command?

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@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote: For really modern Amiga(like)OS with memory protection, drivers, SMP everything below gui and graphics should be cut off and replaced by unix.

Intuition and graphics are using shared memory, you can't make an GUI using Amiga compatible API with memory protection.

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@OneTimer1

Say you had AROS with smp and mp running, and each time a 68 AROS was called, an instance of AROS 68k would open in its own screen. Would be that hard to create a seamless system where apps could still share the clipboard, and keep the file requester in sync with the full fledged AROS running in the background? One is already used to use multiple screens anyway...

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@OldFart

it is rational way to x86/arm
and made amiga like os worth of use on x86/arm

yes all this clowns should hard work instead of trolling
and/or made shits like aros or emu68

@OneTimer1

so Intuition and graphics should be changed to work with memory protection
switch to x86/arm means already lose integration and breaking compatibility
first thing that should be done after switch to x86/arm should be adding memory protection
but some dumb scumbags ar too stupid to get that

@ppcamiga1

I will not work on anything for someone like you who is insulting me all the time. For you I can only have my middle finger.

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@pixie

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pixie wrote: ... each time a 68 AROS was called, an instance of AROS 68k would open in its own screen. Would be that hard to create a seamless system where apps could still share the clipboard, and keep the file requester in sync ...

Lets imagine an imaginary OS would open an independent AOS68 environment/emulation for every application ...

That seems possible, some tools or commodities may not work but a typical application should work. A huge waste of resources maybe, but a 4GB system should have no problems running 12 or more AOS68k instances. I don't know how good resource sharing would be, but not impossible.

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@OneTimer1

I think there's a lot of confusion around MUI, Zune and the like. MUI is just an UI framework. You could have MUI as a wrapper to a GTK implementation, if anyone wants such thing, they could probably code it and run it. But there's no appetite and wouldn't attract any linux user. MUI is also a 3rd party framework, I don't understand the relevance at all.

Zune was not even an AROS component originally. It was indeed created by David Le Corfec for Linux/GTK, then adopted and adapted by AROS. It may even be possible to still get his version somewhere, can't remember if it was sourceforge back then. Linux people didn't show any interest and the Linux variant didn't progress. Doing it again would be met with the same fate. Linux people have their own standards and are not desperate to change.

That said, it's off topic, sorry to be pedantic.

Back on topic, As Commodore International is now confirmed in Simpson's hands, I wonder if Simpson will now counter Simonetti's Art 18 of the 2017/1001 with Art 59 of the same (bad faith registrations) to invalidate it. I still hope they can reach an agreement, however to my limited knowledge, Commodore B.V busy shutting down Canigiani's 5 different CBM/Commodore armada could be the precedent to demonstrate the trademark was not "abandoned since 1994" as Simonetti curiously stated.

@IridiumFX

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IridiumFX wrote: I think there's a lot of confusion around MUI, Zune and the like.

That's also my impression.

Porting MUI / Zune to another platform is a nice idea but it will not port Amiga Intuition or the Amiga GUI on to another platform.

@ppcamiga1

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should be adding memory protection

Only way to achieve this is by not using anything Amiga at all - not even MUI.

Again, all that you whine about exists already, it just isn’t named "Amiga" or "MUI". The original Qt authers was aware of MUI (2.x) when they started, it was one of many sources for inspiration. Apple has their own toolkits that do very much the same, you can buy an Apple system and pretend it was Commodore that bought NeXT out of desperation and replaced AmigaOS with NeXTStep.

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@IridiumFX

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IridiumFX wrote: That said, it's off topic, sorry to be pedantic. Back on topic, As Commodore International is now confirmed in Simpson's hands, I wonder if Simpson will now counter Simonetti's Art 18 of the 2017/1001 with Art 59 of the same (bad faith registrations) to invalidate it. I still hope they can reach an agreement, however to my limited knowledge, Commodore B.V busy shutting down Canigiani's 5 different CBM/Commodore armada could be the precedent to demonstrate the trademark was not "abandoned since 1994" as Simonetti curiously stated.

They should be able to use the C= / Commodore trademarks under the same obligations like others.

I hope this will not end in another useless trademark lawsuit.

@IridiumFX

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IridiumFX wrote: As Commodore International is now confirmed in Simpson's hands, I wonder if Simpson will now counter Simonetti's Art 18 of the 2017/1001 with Art 59 of the same (bad faith registrations) to invalidate it. I still hope they can reach an agreement, however to my limited knowledge, Commodore B.V busy shutting down Canigiani's 5 different CBM/Commodore armada could be the precedent to demonstrate the trademark was not "abandoned since 1994" as Simonetti curiously stated.

I wouldn't even attempt that unless I was holding at least a Level 5 High Priestess card and a Paladin card with a Ring of Warding.

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@ppcamiga1

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For really modern Amiga(like)OS with memory protection, drivers, SMP everything below gui and graphics should be cut off and replaced by unix. Exactly as Apple do.

Why not start from the AROS Kernel. Strip away anything that would break SMP, resource tracking an memory protection, then add those features. Once you have a stable kernel with the features you want then you can go through the AROS source code fixing or replacing everything that you broke unttil you have a fully working OS. Sure it won't have binary compatability and limited API compatability but it would be a true NG Amiga OS unburdened by past decisions.

If an Amiga(like) OS is to dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century I'd rather see something that did attemp to copy Apple.

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szulc, szonwejs, abot, carlos, di mauro etc should hard work on zune to get it compatible with mui then port it ot unix

Just because they don't commit their spare time to fulfilling yout whims and wishes, it doesn't give you right to insult them.

@OneTimer1

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Lets imagine an imaginary OS would open an independent AOS68 environment/emulation for every application ... That seems possible, some tools or commodities may not work but a typical application should work. A huge waste of resources maybe, but a 4GB system should have no problems running 12 or more AOS68k instances. I don't know how good resource sharing would be, but not impossible.

Wouldn't it be possible to open the first time and then on a second time use the already opened one and run that app there? A daemon running in the background of the 68k OS so that each time a 68k program is launched from the server it catches it and runs it.

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@pixie

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pixie wrote: Wouldn't it be possible to open the first time and then on a second time use the already opened one and run that app there?

It's not about the code, that part could be the same and it could be on the same address (as long no one of them wants to change it) it's about the data, this must be separated under all costs, and even if 90% of it is just there to present unused structures.