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Poll : Do you think AmiDevBox is a good idea?
Yes, and I will support it financially.
Yes, but I am unable to support it financially.
Yes, and I am interested in developing.
Its got potential
No. I do not think this is a good idea.
 
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Bobsonsirjonny 
Re: [Poll] AmiDevBox Developer Programme
Posted on 20-Nov-2004 0:15:21
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@DaveP

Ok I will register an account with GuestMap - we can then see about getting this ball rolling

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If you want free hosting and glue logic coding for a database let me know, you can do the CSS and graphics tho.

Dave.

 
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Re: [Poll] AmiDevBox Developer Programme
Posted on 20-Nov-2004 0:48:26
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@DaveP

Lol - you beat me to it.

Ive made two guestmaps, and am making a page. GuestMap has the code I need to cut and paste in. I'm keeping it as simple as possible so it works in Amiga browsers

Cheers dude

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Re: [Poll] AmiDevBox Developer Programme
Posted on 20-Nov-2004 0:54:35
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1 to North America
1 to Europe
1 to Asia
1 to Australia
1 to Africa


None to South America?

Or Antarctis?

At least there is a A1 owner in South america, dunno about Antartis though

The idea is good though

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Re: [Poll] AmiDevBox Developer Programme
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@All:

here it goes my own idea on how it could be done:

1-.One guy does have a machine capable of running OS4.
2-.He does have a small spare hardisk.
3-.He then plugs his small spare hardisk and installs a basic OS4+SDK install on it, then left some FFS2 partitions ready to format&use.
4-.He installs VNC on this small setup.
5-.He boots from it while sleeps,and tell some devs the data they need to connect.
6-.Each Dev at different timezones can use the machine, store his own work on his own hardisk,and use only the compiler and other tools to compile/test, or he can even setup one of the ready to use partitions using FFS2 encryption plugin to keep his work from being accessed/deleted by other people.


Discuss

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Posted on 20-Nov-2004 1:19:49
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@Ami603

Errr... This is exacly what I said. Except instead of having to buy yet another hard disk, just partition your drive and boot into different partitions. I assume there's a bootloader on the A1.

I guess, there's a limit on how many partitions are bootable, which could completely screw up my idea. But how many devs do you realistically want on your machine? 3 perhaps?

How much space would you need for an OS4 install, VNC, the SDK and essential apps to do with developing?

Why can't each developer have a partition to play with.

Ok. Scampering back to my happy place now.

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@Thread

Ok, I have set up two guest maps - one for developers, and one for testers, and made a site. This will be uploaded tommorow.

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aldur 
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@BigBentheAussie

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BigBentheAussie wrote:
@aldur

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a web interface is much faster, allows you to edit the files quicker


I really hope you're not suggesting you edit the files through a textarea in your browser. Errr.... Maybe that's not so bad I guess, but isn't there a limit on the text size?


only on the length of time the script can run for....

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@BigBentheAussie

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we can use the power of Php and Apache


Ummm... Do you intend to run the webserver on your A1? Is Apache even ported?

yes I have been told that there is people running php , apache and Mysql on A4000's so as long as someone ports tha a4k version to an A1 and Mysql we are flying (if mysql doesn't work the server can use text files)

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Or do you intend to keep the website separate and you manually download and compile the code and upload the results?

No, this would take too long, I see the webserver on the A1 and the developer can request compiles from the system, once it has compiled the tester can be requested to test the code, and can make a debug report available to the developer, the developer can ask for a single fix to be tested (via a comment box) if you have a small group of testers that can be emailed with the latest program and the test comments

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You could write a program that runs on your A1 that polls your website for their latest additions, and commands, and uploading the output automatically, making the process more interactive with the developer. I think the developer should be able to issue CLI commands. Also you could potentially have several devs compiling code at the same time.

If you are concerned about their CLI commands remove the really dangerous commands from OS4. ie format. Get to know the devs and keep a log of their commands. Ban them if they do naughty things.

Having a partition you could boot up for devs would ensure that the whole process is not too dangerous for your own everyday activity.

Ok. Scampering back to my happy place now.


A SOAP server/client would be perfect for this as the deveopler on his os3.x machine can call the compile function directly and have the results returned to his own CLI also its then up to the server to say what functions you can call.

A small gui front end to this would be good,

options would be
Choose project
Add compile job
Submit to testers
Submit bug report
Get Bug report
Login/logout

this would be available to all (dev & tester) when you login to the gui it connects to a webservice and gets your roles in the project of your choice.

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cgutjahr 
Re: [Poll] AmiDevBox Developer Programme
Posted on 20-Nov-2004 13:42:07
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I think you guys are approaching this the wrong way: You are constantly talking about developers, but you should be talking about applications instead.

A developer is quite useless (to us) if he doesn't own a good application that we want to be available for OS4. Additionally, if you're going to ask users to contribute money (or share their A1 or whatever), it will be way easier to get them motivated if you say "we're going to get Application X ported to OS4" instead of "contribute money, it's good for OS4".

Therefore, the first step should be to identify applications that meet the following requirements:

1. There's demand for a ppc native version
2. Porting it makes sense (i.e. something written in 68k ASM is not exactly suitable)
3. The developer is still around and willing to port it, but unwilling or unable to buy an A1

If you have compiled a list of applications that meet these requirements, you should try to gauge the demand for each of them, take the most popular ones and announce that these will be sponsored.

And I don't think that 'A1 sharing' or similar approaches will work. Amiga developers are hobbyists (sp?), they're doing it for fun. Following a strict schedule ("an A1 is available to you at Wednesday from 10 pm to 11 pm and Saturday from 4 am to 6 am") is not exactly fun.

And said developer would be new to OS4 - he might want to spend a few weeks tinkering with new APIs or the new library interfaces without doing anything really useful. Can you imagine a developer getting familiar with OS4 on Bobson's A1 while Bobson's mum is cleaning the room and Bobson comes in every five minutes asking if Amizilla is done yet?

I think the only approach that makes sense is supplying a developer with an A1 that he can keep for himself. Here's how I would do it:

1. Identify suitable applications and try to find out the "most wanted" ones (see above)
2. Approach their developers and ask them how much money they'd be willing to contribute themselve
3. Substract that amount from the total cost of the cheapest A1 + memory + HD + case
4. Go public: "We have a deal with developer X to get application Y ported. We need Z EUR, please start contributing. The OS3 version of application Y costs XY EUR. You can contribute any amount of money, contributors that payed XY EUR or more will get a free version of application Y once it is ported".

Of course there's no way to guarantee that the developer in question actually delivers something, but I guess patience and trust are needed with any approach.

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Posted on 20-Nov-2004 14:12:18
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@cgutjahr

Quote:

1. Identify suitable applications and try to find out the "most wanted" ones (see above)
2. Approach their developers and ask them how much money they'd be willing to contribute themselve
3. Substract that amount from the total cost of the cheapest A1 + memory + HD + case
4. Go public: "We have a deal with developer X to get application Y ported. We need Z EUR, please start contributing. The OS3 version of application Y costs XY EUR. You can contribute any amount of money, contributors that payed XY EUR or more will get a free version of application Y once it is ported".

Of course there's no way to guarantee that the developer in question actually delivers something, but I guess patience and trust are needed with any approach.



That is to all intents and purpose the original plan - but the lead time would be slower. As for popping in every 5 mins asking if Amizilla is done, that wouldn't be the case as they would have the use of my machine while I sleep. Plus there doesn't necessarilly have to be any real time interaction between parties.

A list of apps is featured on the guest map and will be compiled into one which is regulalry added to the site.

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http://amigadevbox.happybiscuit.com/


its up

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Posted on 20-Nov-2004 14:54:37
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@Bobsonsirjonny

Sign up people its quick and easy

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If nothing else Christian this will inventory how many developers there are left out there without access to an A1...

 
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Re: [Poll] AmiDevBox Developer Programme
Posted on 20-Nov-2004 16:08:40
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@All
Ok guys here is another idea and I hope this is not a bad one. Why not create a brench all over the world where you pay per hous 3 bucks or so to use the AmigaOne computers in a store with developers so people could just use the computers to program their project. I know it is a sucky idea but still an idea.

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I realise this is a little off topic, but in a thread I made on aw.net a little while ago I was informed by hyperion that there's no cros compilers, etc as yet, so to those saying you can just create the s/w on an x86 box that's apparently not the case. Well obviously you can do the coding, etc, but not compiling as yet. For OS4 specific stuff anyway, obviously there's a few methods for creating system friendly 68k (and maybe wos?) software. That aside I think this idea in some form or other could be a good idea. Anyway, Im running late (hence the skittyness(is that even a word?) of this post) , so I'd best mosey.

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Ok, a new MAP has been added.

One which will allow you post that you have an A1 seperate of any dev or testing team.


http://amigadevbox.happybiscuit.com/

Rob

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@fishy_fis

I think you misread the comment form hyperion, I owen a cross compiler and it's made by hyperion,

they are taking about if they are going to sell a version of SDK separately from the OS,

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@Bobsonsirjonny

I think you shoed ask hyperion about this, I can see how I'm going to be able to protect my OS header files / SDK to be copied or redistributed,

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@NutsAboutAmiga

There is no need to allow your SDK or header files to be copied, merely provide the autodocs and even if you are uncomfortable about doing that then don't - just offer to build the app on behalf of someone else.

 
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