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Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 4-Sep-2017 19:34:07
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 4-Sep-2017 20:24:09
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Great video. I Hope ot will help to onboard more developers and users.
Just out of curiosity, you were referring to an X86 add on being developed to run AmigaOS on the X86 ... was that by any change the (mythological) "pentatrator" ? |
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 5-Sep-2017 6:50:30
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It was the PCI Amiga card which is a sad story all on its own. _________________ Amiga 1000, 3000D Toaster, Checkmate A1500 Plus http://www.checkmate1500plus.com/ |
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 5-Sep-2017 8:24:27
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Can I ask you to tell that tale in a video? Given the recent posts, even on this forum, it may be relevant to say what can be done, how could it be achieved and which limits won't overcome.
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 5-Sep-2017 15:42:26
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I have considered telling the full story but it was a very dark time for me, caused the break up of my marriage and nearly tipped me over the edge.
If there is proper interest then I will tell it. _________________ Amiga 1000, 3000D Toaster, Checkmate A1500 Plus http://www.checkmate1500plus.com/ |
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 5-Sep-2017 16:05:30
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 5-Sep-2017 16:37:06
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Off-Topic a little, but are you aware of Amithlon? |
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 6-Sep-2017 7:12:03
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Yes I have been aware of Amithlon for a long time, but I like Aros as it is actually ported OS3.1 to other platforms rather than emulation/VM
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 6-Sep-2017 17:22:14
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| Ah, but the real tragedy of Amithlon is that it could have allowed AROS to be written from the inside out.
I mean, seriously, imagine the AROS devs doing there development inside Amithlon, slowly replacing all of Amithlon's internals until the only thing left was the 68k emulation. That would have been awesome. :)
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 7-Sep-2017 3:19:40
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To add to all the other projects.. I am going to give a little old Dell Mini 10V I have.
More inspiration every day to be found around here
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 7-Sep-2017 3:20:29
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aaaahhhh... to dream! |
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 7-Sep-2017 19:28:52
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AROS wasn't created to be a patch set for Amiga OS 3. The original meaning of AROS was "Amiga Replacement OS". _________________ AROS - Make code not war |
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 7-Sep-2017 20:36:56
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Absolutley, Aros is the poject that Amigan's should get behind because it is also the best chance for an open Amiga future on hardware we can all afford with performance we crave but do not need
There is room for all especially my A1000 but having been away for a couple of years due to getting married, buying a house and work, Aros now is just amazing especially with the latest Icaros.
My next video is showing what kind of machine you can buid with Aros for the money of an A1222 and the kind of performance you can expect, off the charts is the phrase you can expect.
Perhaps if you can get to the SWAG meeting at the end of the month you can see it
Steve
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 7-Sep-2017 22:36:49
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I've been following AROS since the start, Mazze, I know what it is, so that was never my point. :)
My point was that *if* AROS developers had started with Amithlon as a foundation, where would we be today? As I recall, Amithlon was able to execute BOTH x86 and 68k instruction sets, so, if AROS developers had slowly replaced all of the 68k AmigaOS with x86 equivalents, we'd have an OS capable of running on the latest hardware (Anubis/Arix, anyone?), capable of emulating the older programs while running the recompiled versions.
Of course, we all know what a train-wreck Amithlon turned out to be. It, plus Gateway, was Amiga's last best hope for a future. After that, all was lost.
An AROS /Amithlon fusion would also have had the advantage of preserving the user base (the die-hards, anyway) by having kept them active over the years. Bless Steve for evangelizing AROS, I'll never fault him for that, but the task would be so much easier if the user base could have been supported all these years and such a fusion would have done exactly that.
Just my two cents...
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 8-Sep-2017 7:15:06
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WinUAE and Amithlon kept my interest in Amiga alive after 1997. On FS-UAE I'm using currently the Kickstart from my Amiga 500 and the OS from Amithlon.
(I'm telling what you likely already know) The main development of AROS happened on i386 for technical reasons: fast, cheap and you can run AROS hosted in the GDB debugger. Only in the recent years the m68k port got more attention. Amithlon was released in 2001 when even the i386 port was almost unusable.
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 9-Sep-2017 12:48:15
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WinUAE and Amithlon kept my interest in Amiga alive after 1997. On FS-UAE I'm using currently the Kickstart from my Amiga 500 and the OS from Amithlon. |
Actually, this begs a question from me: you're using the base Linux OS from Amithlon to run FS-UAE? That's curious. Does it give you any advantages over any other Linux variant?
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(I'm telling what you likely already know) The main development of AROS happened on i386 for technical reasons: fast, cheap and you can run AROS hosted in the GDB debugger. Only in the recent years the m68k port got more attention. Amithlon was released in 2001 when even the i386 port was almost unusable. |
Yep. And all of this applied to Amithlon too. Which is why I'm suggesting it, because it's exactly what I was thinking when Amithlon came out. And the "train wreck" occurred... |
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 9-Sep-2017 14:51:09
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Actually, this begs a question from me: you're using the base Linux OS from Amithlon to run FS-UAE? That's curious. Does it give you any advantages over any other Linux variant?
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No, I'm running FS-UAE unter Lubuntu 17.04. I haven't used Amithlon for over 10 years.
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 10-Sep-2017 20:16:00
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Absolutely, you can get a heck of a lot of the "amiga" experience for nothing, or next to with AROS. My current AROS machine cost me $100aud (about $75usd) + some spare parts I had from pcs that have since been upgraded/replaced. For my tastes this performance is handy. Software such as Dosbox, uae, mplayer, ffplay/ffmpeg, odyssey, mame, supermodel (Im a bit of a Daytona USA, Sega Rally, Virtua Fighter, etc. fan), AROSPDF, 3d rpg maker, gcc, and assorted classic titles like vista pro, imagine, lightwave and brilliance all feature heavily on my usage list. These are all bits of software that appreciate as much grunt as you can give them.
A 4ghz i5-760/4 gig ddr3@1866mhz/1 gig gf9600gt, is hardly cutting edge these days, but for $100 it gives me an "amiga experience" like no other. |
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 12-Sep-2017 7:02:23
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Looking forward to the next Aros adventure! Just a quick note to say how impressed I have been with the Linux hosted support now present! I have had great success in running it (with 32bit libraries loaded) on an i7 64bit Linux box! It all seems to be very functional and I have set it up to boot full screen on startup, you almost don't even notice the Linux.. |
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Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers Posted on 12-Sep-2017 11:34:14
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