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any word on morph os/86? Posted on 24-Oct-2018 8:28:11
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| I would like to get morph os/86? If it does not happen within next 2 years or i will have invest in a vampire standlone.
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 24-Oct-2018 8:48:09
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The Vampire is x86 ?
Otherwise, I don't understand the comparison. _________________ PowerMac G5 2,7Ghz - 2GB - Radeon 9650 - MorphOS 3.14 AmigaONE X1000, 2GB, Sapphire Radeon HD 7700 FPGA Replay + DB 68060 at 85Mhz |
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 24-Oct-2018 9:02:19
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Vampire is 68K _________________ A1200 ACA1232 128MB Indivison MkIICr Elbox empty Power Tower RPi3 Emulating C64 ZX Atari PS BBC Wii with Amiga emulation Vampire v4 SA |
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 24-Oct-2018 9:04:02
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Really ?
(Hint : my first comment was a sarcasm) Last edited by K-L on 24-Oct-2018 at 09:04 AM.
_________________ PowerMac G5 2,7Ghz - 2GB - Radeon 9650 - MorphOS 3.14 AmigaONE X1000, 2GB, Sapphire Radeon HD 7700 FPGA Replay + DB 68060 at 85Mhz |
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 24-Oct-2018 11:11:07
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| MorphOS (if at all) is going AMD64, or x64, or if you really must - x86_64 - not x86.
(apollo core on the other hand is comparable with 586) _________________ B5D6A1D019D5D45BCC56F4782AC220D8B3E2A6CC |
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 24-Oct-2018 13:30:34
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Just get the vampire. It's very obvious were morphos is going...it's going DOWN.
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 24-Oct-2018 14:00:18
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I don't quite understand why you limit your options to these either. If you're interested about MorphOS, why don't you get a PPC machine while they're still available and almost free?
If you're interested about classic Amiga stuff, and need an accelerator + RTG, get the Vampire.
Or get both, they're for quite different purposes anyway.
But I don't see any point to wait for very uncertain amount of time for still uncertain MorphOS/x64. PPC is here and it's being developed, and it's still Amiga compatible if you want to run original Amiga software (backwards compatibility is likely lost with x64). Better have fun in your life now, and not waiting for the retirement days and be bitter then because something didn't come after all the waiting ;)
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 24-Oct-2018 17:15:23
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Already you have available one Amiga OS for x86, AROS. |
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 24-Oct-2018 20:46:00
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Exactly. A ppc MorphOS machine costs pocket money only and many devices are small and neat. I'd say, if you are at least remotely interested in MorphOS get a mac mini G4 (30-50 US$|EUR) or ibook|Powerbook. Small, cheap and very polished support for these devices.
MorphOS x64 is a thing wich may or may not happen. And while highly appreciated if and when it comes, don't _wait_ for it - instead use what's actually there. And that is MorphOS for PPC and in particular this means mainly the G4 and some G5 kit by Apple. Cheap, reliable and pretty polished. _________________ My programs: via.bckrs.de MorphOS user since V0.4 (2001) |
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 24-Oct-2018 21:51:44
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Lol its funny that the official Amiga OS is the most expensive to run on real hardware.
Morphos is a nice system. Need to find time to try the new whdopener thing that sounds cool _________________ A1200 ACA1232 128MB Indivison MkIICr Elbox empty Power Tower RPi3 Emulating C64 ZX Atari PS BBC Wii with Amiga emulation Vampire v4 SA |
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 25-Oct-2018 1:43:48
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I meant to say those were my two options. While aros for the pc is good It looks like will not support anything but 10 year old hardware. The graphic drivers way behind anything close to current. My 2 systems are i7 4970 32 gig ram video radeon 4870 3 27 inch monitors. all ssd hd. My 2nd system rysen 2700 32 gigs ram ega 1080 all ssd hd. 4K tv 40 inch I tried aros in virtual box but aros need virtual box design distro. By the time Aros support my current video cards they will have been replaced with newer ones at current rate of development. |
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 25-Oct-2018 3:58:43
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| @hardwaretech But you haven't any hardware to run MorphOS and AmigaOS 4.
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 25-Oct-2018 4:32:43
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By the time Aros support my current video cards they will have been replaced with newer ones at current rate of development. |
And this would be the same with MorphOS.
Only AmigaOS 4.1 has drivers for not too old cards (and we may have before... well... the end of 201x or something... drivers for Polaris cards)_________________ PowerMac G5 2,7Ghz - 2GB - Radeon 9650 - MorphOS 3.14 AmigaONE X1000, 2GB, Sapphire Radeon HD 7700 FPGA Replay + DB 68060 at 85Mhz |
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 25-Oct-2018 5:21:55
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And if you buy something now, it'll encourage the developers for the future plans when they see there's support and demand, and in any case you get a machine you'll be having fun for years anyway. So, for example, if you spend 100e for a MorphOS machine + a licence, it won't do much per years you will be using it, really not much worth to wait something yet unannounced/released IMHO. Just start using the systems and get familiar with them now, and then you can think upgrading if something comes up later that interests you. _________________ - The wiki based MorphOS Library - Your starting point for MorphOS - Software made by jPV^RNO |
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 25-Oct-2018 6:40:03
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While aros for the pc is good It looks like will not support anything but 10 year old hardware. |
Mostly missing is graphics card support for the new radeon series. What else is limiting you? AROS can run fairly well on new systems, at least I have been testing it (native of course) on few i5 machines with success (well, with vesa mode graphics since this is actually the only real showstopper).
AROS is the only Amiga-like system supporting 64bit mode. AROS is the only Amiga-like system able to use more than 4GB of RAM as a regular memory. AROS is the only Amiga-like system supporting SMP, although with some limitations.
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Have you tried native AROS on this machine?
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Have you tried native AROS on this machine?
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I tried aros in virtual box but aros need virtual box design distro |
Can you elaborate? I don't really understand what do you mean about "virtual box design distro"
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By the time Aros support my current video cards they will have been replaced with newer ones at current rate of development. |
Don't like the rate of development? Do something with it. Can you code? Contribute maybe. Can't you? Then try to motivate AROS developers in some way. Sometimes just a good word would be enough. Maybe you know someone who can code and could happily contribute to AROS? There are many many ways of supporting the team.
Do you think Morphos on x64 would change anything? Do you believe that by release of MOS for x64 it will suddenly support all mainboards, from cheap Atom CPU-based up to the monster machines with strongest AMD or Intel CPUs? Will MOS suddenly support Polaris just due to the fact that it suddenly exists on x64? I can bet once MOS Team releases their system for intel cpus, they will provide you a list of supported mainboards/cpus. And then what? What will do people realising that once again they have to carefully pick the components for their new system? What will people do when they realise that MOS does not support 100% of the hardware they already possess? SUpporting new hardware and new platforms is a hard work and it takes time, even in Linux or Windows ecosystem, although there are tens of thousands of people working on that systems, not just a few as it is the case in Amiga world. How do you think, why people cannot just test MorphOS on their X5000? Maybe because graphics driver for newest Radeons is not done yet (although in the work)? What is slowing down release of A1222? Maybe some missing driver?
Having MOS or AROS working perfectly on all the existing hardware, including instant support for newest technologies is a nice dream, but just a dream. Last edited by michalsc on 25-Oct-2018 at 06:45 AM.
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 25-Oct-2018 8:04:36
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I tried aros in virtual box but aros need virtual box design distro. |
You have a couple of nice machines where you should definitely try to run AROS (maybe the SMP-enabled X64 builds) at least in live mode to see if they at least boot in VESA mode. By the way, AROS already has a 3D-accelerated Gallium driver available for GeForce cards, I sincerely hope that someone would "just" pick the job to refresh its code to add support of all newer features and hardware support developed in the meanwhile by Gallium coders.
Well, that said, I'd like to understand better what you said there.
What do you mean with virtual box design distro? Aren't Icaros Desktop and AspireOS already installing correctly on virtualbox? They both should, at least on correctly working releases of virtualbox. Let me give you a hint here: stop toying with virtualbox and get serious with VMware Player 15. Both your PCs should run either Windows or Linux, and the player is available for both. |
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 3-Nov-2018 3:08:08
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Re: any word on morph os/86? Posted on 4-Nov-2018 2:48:11
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You will no get anywhere near the compatibility that Morphos offers if you go Vampire... vampire is cool but it has a long way to go. You can pick up a mac laptop very cheap and it runs morphos great, with almost all features of the laptop supported.
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