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Apollo Team commitment to AROS 68k development
Posted on 13-Sep-2019 12:28:59
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http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=23075

Apollo Team commitment to AROS 68k development

As we believe that AROS 68k is the only real alternative to the AmigaOS licensing limbo, Apollo Team decided to show a strong commitment to the AROS team by helping them to develop AROS 68k.

For each future Vampire Standalone sale done, Apollo Team will put aside 5€ to fund AROS 68k project, being redistributed directly by rewarding AROS 68k developers or bringing them complete Vampire Standalone systems (board, case, PSU, keyboard, mouse, etc.).

If you are one of them, get in touch with us for details.

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Re: Apollo Team commitment to AROS 68k development
Posted on 13-Sep-2019 17:21:35
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@Overflow

Great idea!

It's a good thing to distance away from reliance on piracy, and it makes a lot of sense to support the ecosystem you are part of.

Then let's see how the lawsuits against Hyperion lands, and what might come out of ideas like this...

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Re: Apollo Team commitment to AROS 68k development
Posted on 13-Sep-2019 18:48:10
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I don't quite see how this helps. The number of people willing and able to make use of this offer is very small, would be easier to just ask them directly (not exactly a secret who the relevant guys are) if they wish V4 boards for free, without making an announcement about it.

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Posted on 13-Sep-2019 19:28:16
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I don't quite see how this helps


Dunno. It seems a rather refreshing breath of honesty to inform people ahead of time of their concern regarding the legal aspects surrounding AmigaOS and any potential use of same for the future.

Consider that we are not getting much information from anyone else atm.

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Re: Apollo Team commitment to AROS 68k development
Posted on 13-Sep-2019 19:49:15
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Agree, it is good to see some form of collaboration or at least something that will open the path to collaboration.
Maybe 5 bucks a board is not much, but it shows there is some sort of good relationship between the two parts and that can only be good

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Posted on 13-Sep-2019 20:42:24
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I like it. Good move from Vamp. team. This is something for the future. It is good to have a OS that is open source and can be developed without being controlled or restricted by some commercial company. I pretty sure this will boost AROS development. Looking forward to buy Vamp. v.4 running AROS.

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@kolla

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I don't quite see how this helps.


It's a gesture, not a solution.

If retailers and consumers agreed to match the contribution it would become more meaningful.

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Re: Apollo Team commitment to AROS 68k development
Posted on 13-Sep-2019 23:11:17
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Right, well, let's see how this works out.

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Posted on 14-Sep-2019 20:13:25
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@kolla

Ingen bombe at du er negativ...

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Re: Apollo Team commitment to AROS 68k development
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It's a matter of simple math and being realistic. How many boards must sell to generate enough money to attract people with the right skills and dedication? How many potential AROS/68k developers are there?

This announcement says that anyone interested in doing AROS/68k development can just ask for a Vampire board for free. But wasn't this always the case? Are there any AROS developers around who haven't been offered this already?

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Posted on 15-Sep-2019 7:24:51
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@hUMUNGUs

Never mind the Angry Bear Kolla, it's just his normal behaviour.
He is disappointed and angry against Big Gun and the Apollo/Vampire and has to continuously express it by nitpicking and pointing to errors, fails, missing features and missing acomplishments of a still WIP project that does not have to follow Kolla's personal mind blueprint about it.


Back on topic:
I do not know how many people there are in AROS team, but being it multy HW I think there must be more than one, can this be the case that this form of handshake means some AROS team member will be shifted to specific Apollo optimization?

That would be a good thing as Vampire cards could be paired with their "specific" OS


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Posted on 15-Sep-2019 7:32:39
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It's clearly a way to not have to pay for development cost.

As for distributing coffin OS that contains AmigaOS licensed files, is kind of shady and risky. (unless they are doing under lincece with Cloanto)

I think if Vampire are paying for Cloanto ROM's now, it's not Vampire teams fault, that legality of AmigaOS has been in limbo, I guess if they're going to be damages that payed it's going to be between Hyperion and Cloanto until this sh*t show is solved.

Distributing Vampire with AROS will bring cost down and reduce risk this makes sense. End users can always buy and install the OS they like, if AROS is too slow. In that case, it will be no risk to vampire team.

I think also switching to AROS will send signal to Hyperion that are not in monopoly, they actually have to improve AmigaOS3.x to point where it as good as or better then competition. I hope that this will push Hyperion to back port more OS essentials like large file support, and other stuff that was left out in AmigaOS3.1.4.

(A common API for DOS and Graphics is wherry useful for developers, this way I'm hopeing this.)

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Posted on 15-Sep-2019 7:41:36
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they should start with paying 5€ to cloanto for every pirated rom they have put into the old vampire cards.

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@hUMUNGUs

This is an English speaking forum.

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Re: Apollo Team commitment to AROS 68k development
Posted on 15-Sep-2019 18:50:48
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they should start with paying 5€ to cloanto for every pirated rom they have put into the old vampire cards.


Why do you say that? Are you the court that has jurisdiction over the current court case? Ownership of classic AmigaOS has been in dispute for quite a long time. Why would the Apollo team send money to anyone until the dispute is settled? And even if it's settled, why would they send Cloanto or Hyperion or any other party any money? The Apollo team only sells hardware. It's entirely up to the user as to which OS they put on it and where they obtain it. CoffinOS isn't distributed by Apollo.

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Posted on 15-Sep-2019 19:41:46
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are you serious?
they can not just copy kickstarts and sell them as they want just because they make hardware.

I got one kickstart included with both my vampires so Im happy as I been thinking about upgrading them for a long time.
I just wish they could make a deal and provide the vampires with a legit kickatart.
this aros junk is not a serious option, must users would want to have the real deal and they want it to be legal.

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Posted on 15-Sep-2019 20:10:34
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@monstercoder

where do you know that the roms are pirated and illegal?

Coffin is but it is no offical OS

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Posted on 15-Sep-2019 23:49:29
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@OlafS25

Hard to know, the "vampire kickstarts" have all copyright notices replaced with obnoxious 68080 advertising...

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are you serious? they can not just copy kickstarts and sell them as they want just because they make hardware. I got one kickstart included with both my vampires so Im happy as I been thinking about upgrading them for a long time. I just wish they could make a deal and provide the vampires with a legit kickatart. this aros junk is not a serious option, must users would want to have the real deal and they want it to be legal.


Are you delusional? Because the Apollo team isn't copying kickstarts and selling them. They're selling FPGA hardware and if your Vampires showed up with unlicensed kickstarts loaded on them, then you're quite free to erase them. And you're quite free to purchase licensed copies from....oh, that's right, you can't get licensed versions because ownership is still being litigated.....

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Posted on 16-Sep-2019 6:21:50
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Because the Apollo team isn't copying kickstarts and selling them.


That's correct. Anyone can download cores from https://apollo-accelerators.com, and with the right skills and/or tools, extract the kickstarts.

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