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dirkzwager 
Powermac G5, 2.3 MP !!! and MorphOS What a diference !!!
Posted on 14-Mar-2020 14:51:01
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Bought a Powermac G5, 2.3 MP today.
This is the fastest powermac in the world without water cooling that Morphos supports standard.
I am blown out of my socks. What a speed. And silent.
I have a powerbook 17 ",G4 with 1.67 Mhz (with morph).
This is also nice but the G5 is a huge difference.
Also compared to the Sam 460cr with Amigaos4.1 FE.
I have now put Morphos on the G5. Tower57 really plays top on this. Music, movies all very smoothly.I'm going to install extra software on it and see how the G5 2.3 MP works on the internet and youtube. Amiga UAE emulator testing because it does not really work well with my Sam 460 even though I installed the latest version with JIT.
Lets see. I think this may come close to an Amiga X5000. But not the price, of course.

Last edited by dirkzwager on 14-Mar-2020 at 02:55 PM.

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Re: Powermac G5, 2.3 MP !!! and MorphOS What a diference !!!
Posted on 14-Mar-2020 17:02:30
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@dirkzwager

Nice!


One really can´t compare embedded SoC with full-fledged desktop CPU.

SAM460 should be able to run at least A500 games at full speed with fine-tuned settings, something not necessary with raw power of the G5.

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Posted on 14-Mar-2020 17:19:49
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@dirkzwager

Just make sure you use the G5 version of UAE.

What gfx card are you using?

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Posted on 14-Mar-2020 19:28:07
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@dirkzwager

What kinds of software use are you noticing the biggest difference with the 2.3GHz G5, compared to your 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook?

The reason I ask is because there is so little software (IMHO) that needs more power/speed than the 1.67GHz G4 in the PowerBook. So, I would be interested in reading what software you are noticing the "huge difference" you noted in your post. Is it mostly just Tower57, or is there other software that you are using that is running a "huge difference" faster than the G4 PowerBook?

Congrats on getting your G5, and have many hours of MorphOS enjoyment with it.

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Posted on 14-Mar-2020 22:20:48
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@pavlor

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@dirkzwager


SAM460 should be able to run at least A500 games at full speed with fine-tuned settings, something not necessary with raw power of the G5.


amiga 500 games indeed work after some adjustment. but turican 2:
Do I have to set the frame rate to 4, not fullscreen but in the screern and not too big.
I can't get the controller going and then the sound is not really good.
When I play this game with the Pi 3B + it is just click and everything fullscreen with support from my controller and nice sound.
I do not like that I have to find out the best settings for many games.

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dirkzwager 
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Posted on 14-Mar-2020 22:29:28
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@dirkzwager

What kinds of software use are you noticing the biggest difference with the 2.3GHz G5, compared to your 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook?

The reason I ask is because there is so little software (IMHO) that needs more power/speed than the 1.67GHz G4 in the PowerBook. So, I would be interested in reading what software you are noticing the "huge difference" you noted in your post. Is it mostly just Tower57, or is there other software that you are using that is running a "huge difference" faster than the G4 PowerBook?

Congrats on getting your G5, and have many hours of MorphOS enjoyment with it.


I understand what you mean.
I have been using my powerbook since 2016. I have used it quite a lot. And I was and still satisfied.
I have not yet installed much software on the G5.
I only have it 1 day. You can compare it with a new smartfone I think. Compare it with an iPhone 5s and an Iphone X. all 2 do the same thing, but what a difference. (this difference is also very large with an android smartphone)
Everything goes so much more smoothly. From opening windows, building the screen, opening music and movies.
Indeed, I have only tried Tower57.
But the powerbook is 1.76 G4, the G5 is 2.3 and not a G4 but a G5. that is a huge difference.

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Posted on 14-Mar-2020 22:32:43
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Just make sure you use the G5 version of UAE.

What gfx card are you using?


I look for it but i think it is theATI radeon 9600
Thanks for the tip.
I will use the G5 version of UAE

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Re: Powermac G5, 2.3 MP !!! and MorphOS What a diference !!!
Posted on 15-Mar-2020 11:15:31
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@dirkzwager

If that's the case then I think it's 2,3 GHz Dual Processor (not MP). The "fastest in the world without water cooling" would be PowerMac G5 Dual Core (PPC970 MP), the PowerMac 11,2 - using DDR2 and PCIe. And I thought you had that machine.

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Posted on 15-Mar-2020 12:11:43
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If that's the case then I think it's 2,3 GHz Dual Processor (not MP). The "fastest in the world without water cooling" would be PowerMac G5 Dual Core (PPC970 MP), the PowerMac 11,2 - using DDR2 and PCIe. And I thought you had that machine.


No i have the MP. But the duel core powermac 11.2 is not support bij Morph.

6 - Only PowerMac 7,2 and PowerMac7,3 (A1047) are supported.
https://www.morphos-team.net/hardware

Either I misunderstand, that is also possible

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Posted on 15-Mar-2020 12:36:48
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The biggest difference is of course the browser and video.
I recently added 2.1 ghz G5 iMac to my collection. The G5 feels about as twice as fast than the Powerbook 1.67. Doing a few tests shows that this not the case for everything. Trance seems to work better on G4. Also pictures don't get shown much faster on the G5 (at least if the values displayed by ShowGirls are right).

The only thing still stopping me to use the G5 as main machine is that I haven't swept the hdd yet... As we soon (probably) will have to stay in house al day long I will have time to do that at least!

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Posted on 15-Mar-2020 15:07:05
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@Zylesea

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...I recently added 2.1 ghz G5 iMac to my collection....

...As we soon (probably) will have to stay in house al day long I will have time to do that at least!


The iMac g5 2.1 ???
Can you just install morphos 3.13 on the imac g5, 2.1? I have one more like that. does it work well?

And enjoy being at home ... with greetings from corona

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Posted on 15-Mar-2020 15:34:11
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@dirkzwager

Quote:

dirkzwager wrote:
@Zylesea

Quote:

Zylesea wrote:
@amigadave


...I recently added 2.1 ghz G5 iMac to my collection....

...As we soon (probably) will have to stay in house al day long I will have time to do that at least!


The iMac g5 2.1 ???
Can you just install morphos 3.13 on the imac g5, 2.1? I have one more like that. does it work well?

And enjoy being at home ... with greetings from corona


Only the iSight 2.1 GHz iMacs. But those are fully (but still unofficial) supported. Only the boot logo is missing for some reason and if you plug in a headphone while playing teh loudspeaker doesn't get muted. I haven't registered that machine yet, as I wanted to exchange the hdd before (just in case I break something).

We

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Posted on 15-Mar-2020 15:49:13
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@Zylesea

Thanks for the tip.
The imac is now unemployed at my brother but I will go get it there and then install Morph

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Posted on 16-Mar-2020 10:54:55
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@dirkzwager

Regarding 11.2: i've prepared some information how to run MorphOS on PowerMac G5 PCIe
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12716&forum=11#144318

These machines are way better than AGP G5, also faster than X1000 and a bit faster than X5000 (and they have full length PCIe slots.

iMacsG5 are quite ok but FSB is lower than in PowerMac and they have builtin Radeons slower than R500 which are best option for G5 PCIe (or X5000 with MorphOS).

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Posted on 16-Mar-2020 12:47:10
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The X5000 was not really an upgrade from X1000 performance wise. Bottom line, all things considered, they are both pretty much the same. A sideways movement, not upwards. And the last G4 Mac's, including the laptops, are a lot faster than them both. Eclipses them.

The G5 CPU's are less performant than G4 at the same clock level. They win by their higher clock. And the fact that they are often in systems with dual CPU or cual core, but that's irrelevant in an Amiga context.

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Posted on 16-Mar-2020 16:54:08
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@TRIPOS

in the magazine AMIGA NG from 04/2018 on pages 34-38 there is a test between powermac G4 (1.5 and readeon 9600 XT) and powermac G5 5 (2.0 and readeon 9600XT) with the same graphics card.
Both with MOrphos.
The powermac is really faster.
And this is not only due to the clock speed. It is simply a better prosessor in all areas.
Of course I can not compare with an Amiga 1000 and 5000, I do not have this.
But I have already had a lot of Apple computers and the G5 was a lot better than a G4 at the time.

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