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bison 
New message on amiga.com
Posted on 18-Oct-2020 2:22:20
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Try to contain your excitement, but there's a new[1] ROT13-encoded message on amiga.com, which when decoded says:

Quote:
There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things; because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new.

This is part of a quote by Niccolo Machiavelli::

https://www.azquotes.com/quote/413811

I like it better than some of the previous quotes. It rings true, and is probably a harbinger of things to come, assuming the lawsuit goes a certain way.



1. I say new, but it could have been there for some time.

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matthey 
Re: New message on amiga.com
Posted on 18-Oct-2020 5:13:30
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@bison
The Niccolo Machiavelli quote is not too long to paste here.

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It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them.


It is from his popular book called "The Prince" which is about a malevolent prince. It was banned by the Catholic church and was read by, and likely influenced, King Henry VIII, Napoleon, Mussolini and Stalin but also contributed to Republic philosophy especially in England and what later became the U.S. The logic and utilitarian ethics are too often compelling even though Niccolo was likely not in favor of them, exposing deceit and using satire, but rather supported republic ideals (some later readers probably did not understand and used the book as a pattern to rule).

The quote above does seem to be applicable for the Amiga. Mike Battilana hasn't done much yet besides try to consolidate and defend his intellectual assets and the Amiga community is already split with more than a few people considering him bad for the Amiga. Those in power often try to retain their control by corrupting the law (Hyperion?). The most dangerous evil is not chaotic evil but lawful evil.

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Re: New message on amiga.com
Posted on 18-Oct-2020 6:24:55
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@matthey

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and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new


Well Amiga Community has long experience with Open Source now. And I don’t think anyone can say it has 100% success.

it looks to me that at least some developers do make stuff and is able to make stuff that people willing to pay for, and they are able to work 100% on it, most developer do not, there is no right or wrong, way to do things, some project are hugely successful as open source, some are not.

Hoarding source code is a bad thing, which I agree with, if someone has not done anything with if for one year, maybe its time give someone else a chance. MIT license is good idea, because you pick the project up again when you have the time. (but such desertions should be done by the developers not enforced up on the developers.)

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who have the laws on their side,


Typical work is owned by creator of that work, I know that does mean much to Cloanto, (Mike Battilana) as he is collector of other people’s work, and is in the business of selling other people’s work for ages.

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kolla 
Re: New message on amiga.com
Posted on 18-Oct-2020 10:37:10
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@NutsAboutAmiga

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And I don’t think anyone can say it has 100% success.


What was not successful? And why was it not successful?

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LarsB 
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Posted on 18-Oct-2020 12:21:19
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@bison Machiavelli? Known for his treacerous tactics..

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redfox 
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Posted on 18-Oct-2020 20:14:24
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agami 
Re: New message on amiga.com
Posted on 20-Oct-2020 3:48:43
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@LarsB

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@bison Machiavelli? Known for his treacerous tactics.

One man's treachery is another man's revolution.

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Amigo1 
Re: New message on amiga.com
Posted on 20-Oct-2020 11:03:26
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@LarsB

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LarsB wrote:
@bison Machiavelli? Known for his treacerous tactics..



As far as I read into the life of Macchiavelli, the treacherous-thingy was kind of a misquote.

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