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captainmoomoo 
an idea...
Posted on 13-May-2005 13:32:17
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Hi everyone,

As most of you should know by now from my last thread on developing for OS4, that I teach C/C++ to 1st and 2nd year degree students. Part of my job involves supervising 3rd year projects. As I am in the Department of Electronic Engineering, most of the projects offered by other members of staff are all on DSP, or communications, but very little on software - even though it is a very important part of our degree programmes.

I was wondering what you guys thought about me offering AmigaOS software development projects for the next academic year? They could be focused around porting open source applications for AmigaOS. Although it would be way beyond the scope for one student to port something like OpenOffice all by themselves, it would be useful for them (and us) to at least prepare the foundation, which can then be taken further by another student at a later date.

The work could be carried out on a WinUAE PC running OS3.x, and the results of the project could then later be modified as necessary for compilation on OS4. That could be a cheap way of getting things started. I also have a certain amount of money in my computing budget, and if I can justify it, I might even be able to get my department to fork out for a uA1...

What do you guys think? Any suggestions/pointers?

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Posted on 13-May-2005 13:34:33
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Excellent idea.

I can just say go for it.

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that sounds a damned fine idea to me.
Getting students into the great community in the first place, get them to enjoy the alternative computing experience, and getting them to develop much needs apps for the Amiga.

Future Amiga developers in the making

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Posted on 13-May-2005 13:37:41
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Now your talking got that A1 on order yet

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Now your talking got that A1 on order yet


haha, let me talk to the head of dept first! i need to figure out a way of coating my request in sugar frosted chocolate to get him to agree. im pretty confident though!

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quite bizarre idea! i wonder how the student reacts when you want them to develop for a 10 year old system... (os3) :) I really wish you luck though! Go for it!

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quite bizarre idea! i wonder how the student reacts when you want them to develop for a 10 year old system... (os3) :) I really wish you luck though! Go for it!


That's the thing - it has to be presented in a really attractive way so that it appeals to a large number of students. I already have a wording in mind, and I shall post it up on this thread once I've put it down on digital paper.

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Looks like we are bound for moomoo land!

 
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Shame your not at my university, plus doesnt help my Computer Science degree is aimed on Java But im currently looking for a Third Year project , id love to get my Amiga as part of it but down here not even my Operating Systems Lecturer had realised AmigaOS is still around

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@captainmoomoo
down here not even my Operating Systems Lecturer had realised AmigaOS is still around


Why don't you point him to some info?

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cecilia 
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captainmoomoo wrote:
@spotUP

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quite bizarre idea! i wonder how the student reacts when you want them to develop for a 10 year old system... (os3) :) I really wish you luck though! Go for it!


That's the thing - it has to be presented in a really attractive way so that it appeals to a large number of students. I already have a wording in mind, and I shall post it up on this thread once I've put it down on digital paper.
as someone who was asked to teach computer animation ("101") to freshmen art students some years ago, I understand your situation.

The only way to look at this is how this experience will help the students in their future work. For example, the KHTML engine from KDE's Konqurer browser was eventually used to help develop the MAC Safari browser. Someone is making money from this!

You have to present OS4 as a kind of linux - like classroom experience that will help students become fabulous coders in the Real World.

I'm not a programmer, but I've heard that some people prefer to code for amiga because they think it's "easier" or more efficient. on that topic, i have limited knowledge.

I do know, that learning DPaint made it possible for me to understand immediately various proprietary image programs at animation houses. People were literally amazed at the speed that I figured out their software.
But it was so easy because DPaint let me use several tools at once, while the "simple" proprietary forced you to exit from a tool into a menu so you could pick another tool.
Since I learned on a more complex and subtle program like DPaint, figuring out the easy programs made me look like a genius. (which, i'm not, by the way)

Only Amiga Makes it Possible.

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I'm not a programmer, but I've heard that some people prefer to code for amiga because they think it's "easier" or more efficient. on that topic, i have limited knowledge.


Its certainly not easier

 
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Posted on 13-May-2005 15:56:02
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Sound like a great idea. It will most likely offer them a different set of problems, that could be of use if they will work with lots of different environments in the future.

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captainmoomoo 
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Guys!

I just spoke to the head of my department and he said it's a GREAT idea! He has encouraged me to develop about 5/6 different projects, all for the Amiga! I also asked him about getting a uA1, and he said it sounds cheap enough (these people obviously have too much money for their own good), and that I should apply for some money from the teaching fund!

Could this be the start of a new chapter for us?...

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Posted on 13-May-2005 16:09:48
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Get that mA1 and never look back!

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Posted on 13-May-2005 16:10:40
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It should be useful for the students to see how an alternative operating system works internally, and with porting things from Linux they also get to see the differences between Linux and AmigaOS. I take it the usual courses are Windows-based? So this way they get to see how different OSs work internally, and can make an informed decision about which is easier to program for, which is easier to use, and the basis of how to port apps from one OS to another.

edit Just read the update. This calls for a 'nana Well done!

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Posted on 13-May-2005 16:17:51
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Great news captain, hope it all goes well with that project of yours.


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Naz 
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Posted on 13-May-2005 16:21:50
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compliments. one of the best ideas I read about here the last 3 years. Let them port the key apps and technologies. browsers, office apps, java ...

perhaps you can create an agreement with Hyperion that permits you to always have the last developments of os4 that are not yet delievered to public (only an idea).

curious what's coming out.

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amipal 
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Posted on 13-May-2005 16:43:42
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That is a fantastic idea!
Hopefully your students will see the brilliance and simplicity of the system and actually buy real Amigas to program on.

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