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Thanks for the positive feedback everyone!

I've just sent out an email to the head of our teaching committee asking if we can make an application to purchase about 2 or 3 fully kitted out AmigaOS4 development kits. It's Friday evening so I don't expect her to reply until Monday now, so in the meantime let's all hope and pray that she responds in a positive manner.

Dear oh dear,

I've just realised that I started this thread in perhaps the wrong forum, instead of "Amiga OS 4 Development". Is there a way to move it over now?

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I've just sent out an email to the head of our teaching committee asking if we can make an application to purchase about 2 or 3 fully kitted out AmigaOS4 development kits. It's Friday evening so I don't expect her to reply until Monday now, so in the meantime let's all hope and pray that she responds in a positive manner.

Yes, yes! This rocks!!
Ahem... Come on all Amigaworlders, direct your positive thoughts towards the Head... Omm...

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This is simple and plain.... Great News (tm)!!!

Saluditos,

Ferrán.

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me offering AmigaOS software development projects for the next academic year

DANG! You're not just teasing us here are you?! This is a great idea!! GO GO GO !

/shoe

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"i need to figure out a way of coating my request in sugar frosted chocolate to get him to agree. im pretty confident though!"

I'd delete that if I were you, just in case....
The idea of having contact with different platforms is not just a good excuse, it's a good reason in itself. But if they're gonna do that then let it be for AOS

It was only after I made my final thesis (some very specific plant virology thing in an agronomy degree) that I realized how the students work is "explored" sometimes. I don't think I'd go as far as I did if knew before hand that other's people actually get a decent amount of cash in the work market for what I did... But hey, it's also true that I had free equipment and people availabe to support and teatch me all the time.

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Thats great news! This kind of thing could generate a surprising amount of exposure :o)

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You're the man ! Good luck to your projects.

Maybe someone here could suggest some open source applications
that would be highly appriciated if ported.

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Have you read "Lord of the Rings"? If so, have you considered how well this news fits in with Frodo and Samwise?

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Wow - sounds like a great idea

At first I thought that it wasn't realistic, but looking again, there are so many ways that this can be viewed as a good thing for your university.

1) Presumably if you're dealing with electronic engineering, you'd be interested in embedded devices. AmigaOS has a far lower footprint than Linux/Windows etc, a PowerPC chip (often used in embedded applications IIRC) and can be turned on and off from the wall.

2) If you want to teach students how to port SW, then it makes sense to have an obscure platform so they cannot "cheat" from existing ports - and not POSIX (too easy to port from Linux)

3) In 20 years or so, OSes will be completely different - flexibility is more important than getting tied into a current OS. If students can manage to code on AmigaOS (different APIs, different architecture, different endianness etc) then they've well prepared.

If they don't like they idea of 3 AmigaOnes, maybe you could get a few different systems - a uA1, Mac Mini and Iyonix perhaps?

Good luck

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Thanks for the positive feedback everyone!.

Sunlight on a summers day
The moomoo, is here to stay

No more tears as we roll through the years

On and on and on and on we roll

Sunlight on a winter's day
The Miggy is where they play


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Power to ya. :^)

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Great idea!

But if you intend to develop on OS3.x (WinUAE) then make very sure you configure the system before they see it or I'm pretty sure they'll be scared off by the hidious look and default colours of OS3! OS3.9 would be the best to aim for, with some nice settings.

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captainmoomoo wrote: Guys! I just spoke to the head of my department and he said it's a GREAT idea! He has encouraged me to develop about 5/6 different projects, all for the Amiga! I also asked him about getting a uA1, and he said it sounds cheap enough (these people obviously have too much money for their own good), and that I should apply for some money from the teaching fund! Could this be the start of a new chapter for us?...

Wow, if they go for it, I've got to say I'm surprised but that's very cool. Having taught before, I've got to say I intentionally 'pushed' *nix wherever possible (better to learn about POSIX than M$ evil data types!).

I'm assuming that after this course(s?), they'll also have some classes with exposure to some form of Unix/Linux? If not...hmm. Not sure you'll want to hear it, but it might not be the best for the students overall with respect to OS and coding familiarity when it comes to getting them jobs.

If they do/will also have some *nix classes, then it's all good- a variety of environments, some more exposure (and programs?) for AOS...very cool

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Hi captainmoomoo,


As Stimpzilla would put it, "Happy, happy, Joy, joy"!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes, yes, go in under their radar, it's a linux MB too!!!

Too bad it couldn't be in an Amiga Fantasy case!!!


Then they'd be fighting to use it!!!


Ahhh, the old days, when there were 3 terminals connected to the mainframe, with 70 others, devided among other high schools, the near brawls we had!!!!!

@wegster et. al.

WOW WEEE!

Look at the amazing response! Man you guys are the best! Too many to answer individually...

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I'm assuming that after this course(s?), they'll also have some classes with exposure to some form of Unix/Linux? If not...hmm. Not sure you'll want to hear it, but it might not be the best for the students overall with respect to OS and coding familiarity when it comes to getting them jobs.

Actually while they're studying in the first and second years, they have to use linux boxes for all their programming lab work. Previously they were using Windows with Borland ( until I took over and insisted they switch to Linux

It's only when they come to do their third year dissertations that we'd then move them over to either AmigaOne's or WinUAE PCs.

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Wow, if they go for it, I've got to say I'm surprised but that's very cool. Having taught before, I've got to say I intentionally 'pushed' *nix wherever possible (better to learn about POSIX than M$ evil data types!).

I too am wondering if they'll really go ahead and let me make the purchase, but the projects will definitely appear, even if it is only for OS 3.x on a WinUAE PC. Let's just hope that we get a more ideal response... Either way, I am gonna push this as much as I can.

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A good argument for students can of course be that their work will really be noticed and appreciated to a much bigger extent in the Amiga world than in the - by comparison - huge Linux world. And porting work is usable experience no matter what platform it's made to, also in order to realise not everyone is doing things the MS way. Make sure they get pointed to the Amiga developer sites (UtilityBase, AmigaDev etc) too.


It 's a very nice intiative indeed and I wish you good luck with it, I really, really do.
... and impressive to hear your university seems positive to it!
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SlimJim

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Very cool then. I didn't want to be negative about it, although I obviously think if it meant 'depriving' students of working with *nix, it would be an issue.

As it is though...WOO HOO, very cool then.

And actually, as Atheist pointed out, you _could_ at least 'market' the purchase by saying they will in fact run Linux as well...

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Congratulation, very cool initiative

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There is already a team of several people working on a port of OpenOffice. It might be an idea to co-ordinate any work you or your students do with the OOo team. We don't have enough developers or programmers around to afford duplications.

That said, I wish you and your students well. It would be great to see Amiga in an academic environment.

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