@Hyperionmp

One of the best statements i've ever read in the past 2 years and thats exactly what AMIGA stands for me in my opinion - pure Multimedia!

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@T_Bone
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cut snip If Eyetech leaves, can't we make the switch to something we'll never have to wory about finding a manufacturer for ever again?

I would not worry about the manufacturer if my next Amiga had a motherboard made for PS3.

Imagine the PS4 and 5.

@Hyperionmp

Damned well said. Brings a sparkle to your eye reading a post like that.
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@Hyperionmp

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Hyperionmp wrote: @T_Bone If you can prove to me that any x86 CPU is as effective as the CELL architecture at multi-media, we might consider it. There is no desktop market anymore, there are only mobile and CE markets. That's where AmigaOS needs to go.

Aw crap.

The feeling I get hearing this is like when my daughter told me she wants to be a doctor. I'm happy for her and everything but the realization in the back of my mind that "She's Leaving Town" is depressing at the same time. She's not "Our little girl" anymore. She's leaving the nest and we'll probably only see her on Christmas and Thanksgiving.

AmigaOS is leaving for bigger things, she's not our little girl anymore.

BeOS left the nest with aspirations, AmigaDE moved out of the house and said goodbye to it's parents, now AmigaOS4 has a career path far from it's home. It was apparent MorphOS wasn't an option when BBRV started looking right through those of us interested only in an Amiga-like desktop, trying to see opportunities beyond us like we were invisible, then it got kicked out of medical school. Amithlon... well, hmmm... analogy, analogy... dangit, I've got nothing.

I've always been hoping for an x86 AmigaOS, something that, unlike the other attempts of various OS'es who keep moving away from us, we could keep home forever, just upgrading the hardware underneath without worrying about someday having to wave goodbye as they leave for bigger things... a perpetual child, that's what I want.

Why can't you guys be a bunch of slackers with no vision? Sorry, don't mind me, I'll be over here, cryin in my beer. Damn you people and your aspirations! I don't want my daughter to be a doctor, I'd rather have her live at home untill she's 40, I'd support herjust to keep her home!

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@T_Bone

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I've always been hoping for an x86 AmigaOS,

Then use UAE or AROS.

@Hyperionmp

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There is no desktop market anymore, there are only mobile and CE markets.

Dang, you guys at Hyperion someday need to sit down at a round table and decide to, for once, agree on a common line of thought

You say there's no desktop market anymore, the Frieden bros say there is a desktop market. Perhaps those statements aren't in conflict if put in the right context... so please, shed some light and make an official statement about it.

As for AOS on the CELL: is that an announcement, a promise, a wish, what exactly?

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@Chip

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Chip wrote: @T_Bone Quote: I've always been hoping for an x86 AmigaOS, Then use UAE or AROS.

UAE's not an OS.

Aros, I guess you're right. It's increasingly becomming the only option for those of us only interested in a Desktop Amiga. Everyone else keeps getting lured away by the bright lights and big city world of cellphones and kiosks.

(Not that there's anything WRONG with that, I just don't have any interests in AmigaOS outside of the Desktop)

edit : lol! No offence Fabio! I didn't mean "Oh I guess I'll have to settle for Aros" lol!

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@Thread

a quote from http://news.com.com/Apple+throws+the+switch,+aligns+with+Intel/2100-7341_3-5733756.html?tag=macintouch

Jobs said there are a lot of products Apple envisions for the coming years, but "we don't know how to build them with the future PowerPC road map."

Looks like IBM isnt so dependent on Apple as some seem to think, speculating on my own i think Intel and Apple have made a deal to benefit both, as allways cheer up things could be better they could also be alot worse.

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@T_Bone

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edit : lol! No offence Fabio! I didn't mean "Oh I guess I'll have to settle for Aros" lol!

Ehm, don't worry, I'm the first one to say that AROS isn't for you Not yet, at least.

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My 0.2 cents:

- In short term there will be more PPC CPUs for our niche
- In longer term, the #### has just hit the desktop PPC CPU's fan.
( I expect IBM to ditch their G5 desktop branch )

Unless something really surpricing happens, PPC AOS4 machines need to use embedded PPC CPUs (not that powerfull, but cool) and to use multiprocessing or search for some other CPU for heawy duty applications.


Our niche has lived through so many hard times that nothing scares us any more, right? RIGHT?



UPDATE: One stupendously over optimisticscenario: IBM delivers a CHEAP G5 based desktop motherboard for PPC Linux users (Apple would not resist that in any way any more). And AmigaInc/Eyetech/Hyperion launches AOS4 for that board.

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@falemagn

hope AROS could be the next Linux (even if i think that all amiga incarnations could be). Good luck Fabio!

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@jahc

yes, it has been dead-end from beginning..

I have just been reading the INTEL® Press releasee and yes obviously it is confirmd
Apple® are moving over to X86 as well as there PPC Processors. But lets not get confused with
the fact that its not normal X86`s ie intel® it is Macintosh® computers using Intel® microprocessors. So you cant just wack it into an every day pc and expect to install Mac OS® X Tiger any time sooner.

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@falemagn

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falemagn wrote: @T_Bone Quote: edit : lol! No offence Fabio! I didn't mean "Oh I guess I'll have to settle for Aros" lol! Ehm, don't worry, I'm the first one to say that AROS isn't for you

What's THAT supposed to mean? (j/k)

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@Rob
XBOX 360 doesn't use Out-of-Order PowerPC 970FX. Refer to
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-1.ars
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-2.ars

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@KimmoK

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Our niche has lived through so many hard times that nothing scares us any more, right? RIGHT?

"The desktop is dead" line of thinking scares me.

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@T_Bone

What does "being dead" really mean?

It could be:
- AOS updates appear in 6 month periods
- new features aim to support several embeded use (many of them are "nice to have" stuff for the desktop as well, like Mozilla browser for AOS4 powered web/multimedia terminal)
- some rare features aim for desktop/content developer

For 99% of the world that means "dead as a desktop", just because SW from the windows platform is not available. At the sime time I migh find myself being perfectly happy with AOS 4.1.99 as my main desktop OS

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@Magic

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Magic wrote: I have just been reading the INTEL® Press releasee and yes obviously it is confirmd Apple® are moving over to X86 as well as there PPC Processors. But lets not get confused with the fact that its not normal X86`s ie intel® it is Macintosh® computers using Intel® microprocessors. So you cant just wack it into an every day pc and expect to install Mac OS® X Tiger any time sooner.

The Apple's X86/X64 development box is a Pentium IV @3.6Ghz based. Atm, the processor is a normal Intel Pentium IV @3.6Ghz. A processor doesn’t equal the whole PC e.g. BIOS, core-logic, GPU, APU and 'etc'.

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@T_Bone

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T_Bone wrote: "The desktop is dead" line of thinking scares me.

However, EntilZha says the exact opposite: "The notion that OS4 for the desktop is dead is absolutely hillarious".

I'm astonished no one apart from me noticed those incongruencies.

Can we have one, plain and concise statement about it?

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@KimmoK

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What does "being dead" really mean? It could be: [...]

Geez, guys, stop living in fantasyland! Aren't you tired of constantly having to guess things and trying to read into words more than there's to it?

How about just sticking to what Hyperionmp said, or asking him to clarify what he meant, if it appears unclear? Besides, his statement is in total contrast - until further explanations are given - with the one of the Frieden bros.

Doesn't anyone feel the need for clarity here, apart from me? Are you really so comfortable with this atmosphear of uncertainty and doubts? Are you really so willing to spend more money on a product that has no clear future, no clear roadmap, a leadership that doesn't seem to agree on such basic things as "is there or is there not a market for our product"?

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