I have two A3000 a three A4000 ready and waiting...

For HighEnd I do understand some higher processor specifications... A G3 or a G4 to 800Mhz minimum?

Quote:

Apr 02 19:12:07 adam The A3/4K(T) version is higher end than the 5200

I wonder if the A3k/A4k version could be rigged for standalone as well?

_________________
...wait... what?

Yes! good god yes, let's get this thing out the door, I'm so incredibly bored! I was contemplating doing something drastic, like finding other hobbies

_________________
"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you." - Oscar Wilde

@T_Bone

Be careful... I have heard that the sun stings the eyes, and that open air is toxic. It is alleged that humans are real.






@polka. (IE. NEXT POST FOLLOWING THIS) |
|
|
\ /

LOL! That computer looks wicked (/me grabs credit card for USB tanning centre)

Last edited by Bodie_CI5 on 03-Apr-2006 at 01:34 PM.

_________________

@Bodie_CI5
Quote:

Be careful... I have heard that the sun stings the eyes, and that open air is toxic. It is alleged that humans are real.

I heard the same thing. Sun is not necessary anyway since the invention of the USB tanning centre:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/front/usbtan.jpg

Elbox already confirmed compatibility with the Subway usb-card. When connected to an AmigaOne however, strange buzzing noises might appear when using Warp3D.

@T_Bone: One possiblity might be vocalist of a rap band. I wonder what your children will say about it.

Last edited by polka. on 03-Apr-2006 at 01:20 PM.

_________________
This signature is in the middle of a much needed facelift!

@salteadorneo

Quote:

For HighEnd I do understand some higher processor specifications... A G3 or a G4 to 800Mhz minimum?

If you say "higher end than the 5200 (PV A1200)" it means that you define "PV A1200 = high end" and everything above 466Mhz (wow!) as "higher-end".
It could mean virtually anything >466Mhz.

Personally, I frigging don't care about speed anymore. It just needs to be reasonably priced, available either stand-alone or for my A1200 and ACK should release it preferably THIS YEAR. Arrg. Otherwise I don't see much hope for OS4.
We need cheap entry-level hardware, quick! Doesn't matter if you call it high-end, low-end or dead-end.

Last edited by polka. on 03-Apr-2006 at 03:27 PM.

_________________
This signature is in the middle of a much needed facelift!

good to hear something from the ack... but i still dont believe it before i see it.... if it will be released i will get one for my a1200 :)

_________________
I was a ZX Spectrum owner....

@wegster

Its good to hear some news. I'll be happy to see any version of the PowerVixxen.

---
redfox


--edit, removed silly remark--

Last edited by redfox on 03-Apr-2006 at 05:20 PM.

@Thread

It is nice to see somthing positive for a change, but it does look like my A1200 will have to keep its '040 for a little while longer. Still A3/4K users will have a chance at OS4.

wizz.

_________________
Rev 1D3 Amiga 1200, Apollo 1240 (40Mhz '040, 64MB RAM), Indivision MKII, Fast ATA MK V, Rapid Road USB, PCMCIA WIFI & OS 3.14

@Wizzard_o
Quote:

It is nice to see somthing positive for a change, but it does look like my A1200 will have to keep its '040 for a little while longer.

The news is only positive for A3k/A4k owners, since they also might get a Powervixxen at an undefined point in time. Or am I missing something? Ok, it's positive to see that Adam is still alive.

Apart from that:

- there is a major setback due to lacking A1200 CPU connectors, Adam has been unable to locate some of them so far

- the "standalone aspect" is not "polished" yet, probably needing some further design/testing

Adam's "Powervixxen is in production, docs are being polished up" statement in December sounded very different from the above. Now I don't see too much hope that I will see either PV nor Amy before end of 2006/beginning of 2007.
And some people here talk about "Momentum" and "we need to wait with the release of OS4 Classic, otherwise all the Momentum is gone!" Oh well...
Get some new OS4-users/developers on the bandwagon NOW. No reason to wait, or they'll be gone.

Last edited by polka. on 03-Apr-2006 at 05:03 PM.

_________________
This signature is in the middle of a much needed facelift!

@polka.
While it was nice of Adam to answer some questions, yeah, I pretty much agree 100% with your comments above. While it's always true we might be 'surprised' at some point, this market really doesn't have much history of those surprises being positive ones.

When/if a standalone version becomes available, I'll gladly buy one.

I still understand and agree with the 'wait for classic release,' but I am seriously hoping Hyperion's 'backup plan' is coming close to fruition...

_________________
Are we not done with the same silly arguments and flames yet??!

@lavo

Quote:

Why doesn't Adam just ditch the classic host and get the board into production as a standalone board, seeing as that part (from the above conversation) seems to be ready?

Based on wegster's comment ("Somewhere after the above, Adam seemed to indicate Hyperion has, or is allowed to license, classic expansions. "), I suspect there's licensing issues for the standalone version but not for classic expansions.
GRRRR AmigaINC!

On the other hand, as an A4000T owner, I'm happy to hear the news about A3/4k

@mpiva
Quote:

I suspect there's licensing issues for the standalone version but not for classic expansions.

Exactly. That's also what you can read on the Amiga Inc. website:
Quote:

AmigaOne Partners have the right to distribute AmigaOS 4.0 into the AmigaOne desktop computer market and into Cyberstorm PPC enabled devices. Distribution into any other market or device requires a licensing and distribution agreement with Amiga, Inc.

I think "Cyberstorm PPC" also includes other PPC expansions for Amiga Classic hardware.
But don't take it for granted, there is other blatantly wrong information on the very same page:
Quote:

Now scheduled for commercial release in early 2005, AmigaOS 4.0...

@lavo

Quote:

lavo wrote: Its amazing that we get a thread with some positive news, and there are only 2 comments. Yet, someone posts something negative, and there are hundreds of posts. Go figure!

It's pretty simple - no-one really believes it. The last bit of information ACK employees leaked on IRC ("the boards are in production" in the Hyperion interview) proved to be just noise, so why should this be any different?

@CodeSmith

I can't see the positive news either. In late December we got told that the "Powervixxen is in production". Now we get told that major parts are missing. Huh?

Further, he told us "Regarding CPU modules for the A1 boards....expect an anouncement shortly.". Maybe after the A4k, A3k and A1200 Powervixxen have been finished, so somewhere in 2007?
An attitude which looks pessimistic now could turn out as being realistic in the end.

If there is none of the "secret hardware projects" releasing anything very soon, the whole OS4 situation will even look worse.

@hatschi

Quote:

hatschi wrote: @mpiva Quote: I suspect there's licensing issues for the standalone version but not for classic expansions. Exactly. That's also what you can read on the Amiga Inc. website: Quote: AmigaOne Partners have the right to distribute AmigaOS 4.0 into the AmigaOne desktop computer market and into Cyberstorm PPC enabled devices. Distribution into any other market or device requires a licensing and distribution agreement with Amiga, Inc. I think "Cyberstorm PPC" also includes other PPC expansions for Amiga Classic hardware. But don't take it for granted, there is other blatantly wrong information on the very same page: ...

That seems to be one of the few things that are correct on the site. And why would they lie and keep lying about that? To make themselves and everything about AmigaOS look worse than it is?

"As a result, AmigaOS4 and all future versions will ship only on those hardware products to which Amiga Inc has specifically granted a license after reviewing the capabilities of both the solution provider and their product. The only exclusion to this policy is a temporary measure to support the community members who have invested heavily in existing PPC accelerators and will cover products where an Amiga manufactured or licenced Kickstart ROM is present (for instance A1200/A3000/A4000)."

Emphasis mine, the text goes on to explicitly list "AmigaOnes", CS-PPCs and BlizzardPPCs as the only hardware that AOS4 will "currently" (020412) be sold for.
http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/041202-mcewen-cache.html

Last edited by Seehund on 03-Apr-2006 at 07:57 PM.
Last edited by Seehund on 03-Apr-2006 at 07:56 PM.

_________________
Oh, bother.

@createcoms

> Disappointed to hear the A3/4K version will be higher spec'd than the
> A1200 version. Come on just because originally the 1200 was the budget
> machine doesn't mean it's that way now.

High end CPU boards tend to need more power and bigger heatsinks. This may be a problem for the A1200.

An other problem is that A1200 users tend to have less money available for their hobby then A3/4000 users. A lot of A1200 users can't afford a high end CPU upgrade.

Kind regards,

Dennis

@hatschi

Quote:

In late December we got told that the "Powervixxen is in production". Now we get told that major parts are missing. Huh?

Exactly. Either the boards were not in fact in production in January (unless you start arguing semantics on what "in production" really means), or they started a manufacturing run before having all the parts on hand. I can't believe they'd do the second one (unless that happens to be a common practice in the hardware manufacturing world?), so it looks like someone jumped the gun with the "in manufacturing" statement. Of course, the IRC chat wasn't an official communication from the company, so we can't really complain about that. On the other hand, this latest statement was also just a comment on IRC, so I'm choosing not to trust that either.

@Seehund

Quote:

Emphasis mine, the text goes on to explicitly list "AmigaOnes", CS-PPCs and BlizzardPPCs as the only hardware that AOS4 will "currently" (020412) be sold for. http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/041202-mcewen-cache.html

And it was written nearly a full four years ago: April 12th, 2002...

Last edited by amipal on 03-Apr-2006 at 08:08 PM.

_________________
After a decade away from the scene, I am back!

@amipal

Quote:

And it was written nearly a full four years ago: April 12th, 2002...

Apart from the mentioned accelerators which apparently completely vapourized I can't see a reason why the statement shouldn't be valid anymore. The contract is still in place.

"We have also been approached by and are currently in negotiation with the following companies for the licencing of the AmigaOS to allow for a combined hardware and software solution:
* The Shark card by Elbox
* PPC accelerator cards for the Prometheus by Matay
* Merlancia Industries MMC Toro Series" < ---