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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 18-May-2006 21:20:03
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 18-May-2006 21:20:16
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I think the PowerPC has a better range of devices than the x86 and by that I say more scaleable. |
"Scalability" and "range of devices" is a rather bogus argument when nobody is there to produce that hardware for our tiny little market or when no license is granted for potential producers. |
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 19-May-2006 10:02:10
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I agree with you. C'mon Rogue. You won't be able to convince those ex-86 lovers. They like to complain, and even if you did an ex-86 port of AOS4, they will say: "it ran only on that machine, not on mine, I'm not buying a new machine as mine is better anyway ! Do a port to MY ex-86 or I'm outta here..."
If they want AOS4 on ex-86, they can always use AROS. IfAROS is not god enough for them, they can "invest" (time, money, development) on AROS to make it looks like AOS4 as AROS is stil a project in development.
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 19-May-2006 11:01:45
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| @Rogue
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Oh yes! And Linux. And AROS. And *BSD. And ... |
Oh, come on. The only thing that remotely threatens the position of Windows is Linux. AROS, BSD, you gotta be kidding. |
What do you mean? Threaten the position of Windows? Does that have something to do with the "if we can't sell our product for Platform X we're protected from competition" idea? ;)
I was referring to customer benefit, product value. More options is better value than fewer options.
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You mean just like with PPC or any other CPU, then. |
Yes, the same problem exists with other CPU's, however, there aren't that many PowerPC boards and hence the selection of chipsets is limited. |
Exactly. Are you saying that this is a good thing?
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Even if this were entirely true, then neither has AmigaOS. Any impact on the embedded market, that is. |
Contrary to x86, PowerPC are being used in embedded applications. |
What, x86 is NOT being used in embedded applications?? Are you only referring to PDAs?
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We do have a PDA running AmigaOS to begin with (unfortunately I don't think I am allowed to show the video I recorded), and there are concrete plans (which I surely cannot comment on). |
Can't say I'm personally particularly interested in AmigaOS on a PDA, but good for you, and good luck! I really do hope this concrete plan turns out better than all the previous ones. Even if AmigaOS is left for dead where I'm interested in using it, on computers, I'd love to see you getting some reward from all these years.
But are you sure you want to compete head on with Windows (PocketPC), Symbian, Linux et c? I've heard it's dangerous to run on popular platforms! ;)
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AHT had negotiated and were about to sign a licence deal for AOS4 on an STB when AInc did a U-turn on them, and before that AHT were asked by their advisors how much AInc would pay AHT for putting AmigaOS on their STB! |
You clearly totally underestimate the power of the Amiga name. |
Dang! I'll find solace in that I'm in the same boat as PriceWaterhouseCooper and ABB's/Maxx's/AHT's advertising agency then. :)
But AInc and/or Hyperion still think that the name is NOT powerful enough to sell at least a few thousand copies of AmigaOS 4 to enthusiasts/nerds/people-who-actually-know-and-remember-the-name, who already own or would be willing to buy a PPC Mac, Pegasos or x86 machine?
Yet it's apparently believed to BE powerful enough to sell AmigaOS to the same people only if it comes bundled with underperforming overpriced obscure hardware without warranties on an isolated "Amiga" market.
Odd.
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After the "Two More Weeks" and "When It's Done" slogans, perhaps it's time to adopt "Four More Years" from American politics? ;) |
Spare me the cynical comments, I didn't specify any timeframe. Just wait and see. Or not, I don't care. |
Come on. Even without specific timeframes, any such statement will be met with a healthy dose of skepticism, or cynicism if you will. There have been more unspecific RSNs and It's-in-the-pipelines and We're-looking-at-thats than there have been specific In-2Q-2002s or Two-more-weeks. (And I'm talking about anything Amiga related, I'm not trying to single out Hyperion.)
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 19-May-2006 11:09:27
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You don't seem to understand all these 'x86 lovers'... I bet that if you gave them a similar PPC spec at the same amount they wouldn't nag...
And this 'they like to complain' without trying to grasp what's between the lines, makes it a rather offensive, as is over generalizing... Quote:
"it ran only on that machine, not on mine, I'm not buying a new machine as mine is better anyway ! Do a port to MY ex-86 or I'm outta here..." |
But they would run to buy an overpriced, underspecced machine... your logic is stumbling _________________ Indigo 3D Lounge, my second home. The Illusion of Choice | Am*ga |
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 19-May-2006 11:14:55
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| @AmiGame
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If they want AOS4 on ex-86, they can always use AROS. |
What the heck has AROS (3.1) to do with AOS4 (4.0)? This logic is flawed._________________ This signature is in the middle of a much needed facelift! |
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 19-May-2006 13:07:53
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 19-May-2006 13:33:36
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Please, tell this to Apple as their x86 boxes aren't cheaper then their PPC boxes. |
Try find a PPC based laptop (or build a comparable barebone solution) that can beat AU $799 Acer laptop (1.6Ghz AMD K8 Sempr0n, 40GB HD, 256MB 333DDR, SIS Mirage2 IGP, 15.4 inch gloss TFT 16:9 screen (price includes $100 OEM Windows XP Home). Last edited by Hammer on 19-May-2006 at 01:36 PM.
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 19-May-2006 13:45:52
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Look at the situation of Yellow Tab and tell me why a company selling into the oh-so-profitable x86 market has filed fro Chapter 11? |
Management issue i.e. refer to QNX, eComStation, SUN Solaris, SkyOS for counter examples. Any OS must fine a niche market._________________ Ryzen 9 7900X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Amiga 1200 (Rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32lite/RPi 4B 4GB/Emu68) Amiga 500 (Rev 6A, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 3a/Emu68) |
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 19-May-2006 13:55:40
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Don't say Linux now. The market share for Linux on x86 is so insignificant that most companies don't even bother to port their software to Linux. Since I am a fan of Neverwinter Nights, I can tell you that the percentage of people playing the Linux version of NWN online is below 0.1%, and it isn't like the Linux game market is swamped with alternatives. |
Linux X86 is doing fine in X86 servers i.e. beating !@#$ out of the old school unix server solutions. _________________ Ryzen 9 7900X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Amiga 1200 (Rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32lite/RPi 4B 4GB/Emu68) Amiga 500 (Rev 6A, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 3a/Emu68) |
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 19-May-2006 14:05:46
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Reason 2: x86 equals Windows
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Depends on the market segment e.g. servers and HPC (e.g. ILM and Google HPC** AMD64 clusters) i.e. refer "Lintel" labels._________________ Ryzen 9 7900X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Amiga 1200 (Rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32lite/RPi 4B 4GB/Emu68) Amiga 500 (Rev 6A, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 3a/Emu68) |
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 19-May-2006 14:07:24
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Try find a PPC based laptop (or build a comparable barebone solution) that can beat AU $799 Acer laptop |
I didn't say that there aren't cheap x86 boxes, but I answered to pixie who said x86 boxes would be always cheaper then PPC boxes. Apple shows that this isn't the case, their x86 boxes aren't cheaper then their PPC boxes.
Ciao, AlfredLast edited by Serpi on 19-May-2006 at 02:07 PM.
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 19-May-2006 14:32:44
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Well, let just put it this way, if Aone had the power of a top of the line SGI no one would brag about it's price... you can have x86 who costs more, but either they are way more powerfull then the available ppc or those who sell them are just stealing their costumers...
Now, do you even bothered to check the setups of a Mac x86 against PPC? It seems you haven't... _________________ Indigo 3D Lounge, my second home. The Illusion of Choice | Am*ga |
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 19-May-2006 14:41:07
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Contrary to x86, PowerPC are being used in embedded applications. |
Again with the "x86 is nonexistent in the embedded market" fantasy? You might want to take a look at this webpage which lists the industries which use x86 in their embedded products.
http://www.intel.com/design/embedded/solutions/index.htm
Don't take the development documentation to heart though, check out the case studies which specify companies that are currently using x86 embedded solutions. A small sampling of companies from the hundereds of real-world case studies:
(http://www.intel.com/design/network/solutions/search.htm?iid=embed_home+sol_case&)
National Instruments ADLINK Technology QLogic Network Appliance Micro Industries American Predator NetScaler, Inc. Cyclone Microsystems RadiSys Elmic Systems iTelco Cisco eSoft DataCore Software OmniCluster Technologies Sensory Networks TenAsys AGT Electronics Applied Data Systems & AutoMARK Technical Services ZTE Gigabyte Technology Creo Colorgraphic
...the list goes on and on. So, spare the "no x86 embedded presence" myth. If you truly want to sell OS4 to the embedded industry, you'll do a lot better if you face the reality that there IS in fact a massive x86 presence which isn't going to disappear overnight.
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 20-May-2006 11:04:30
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I didn't say that there aren't cheap x86 boxes, but I answered to pixie who said x86 boxes would be always cheaper then PPC boxes.
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"X86 boxes" was not defined and Pixie's would be true in general terms e.g. ACER is the world's 3rd largest PC vendor vs a niche player. _________________ Ryzen 9 7900X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Amiga 1200 (Rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32lite/RPi 4B 4GB/Emu68) Amiga 500 (Rev 6A, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 3a/Emu68) |
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 20-May-2006 12:40:21
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I think the numbers say it all.
Ignore your customers, lose your customers.
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 20-May-2006 12:51:52
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I voted yes, as I'd buy an x86 machine running OS4 if forced to, as a last resort, if there were no other options available.
Surely the OS efficiency isn't hampered that much by weak old HW? _________________ SEX SUX
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 20-May-2006 12:53:40
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The hardware is basically free, the software has freedom but the social support network is polluted with an arrogance and confrontational attitude I can't stand.
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 20-May-2006 12:53:58
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I think the numbers say it all.
Ignore your customers, lose your customers.
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Re: [Poll] Would buy an x86 computer running AmigaOS 4.0? Posted on 20-May-2006 13:12:31
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Contrary to x86, PowerPC are being used in embedded applications.
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Either you live with your head under the sand, or you're purposedly and blatantly lying.
But let's say for a minute that you are right, that the x86 is absolutely absent from the embedded market and PPC dominates: what makes you think you'd be able to make a dent in a market as competitive as the embedded one?
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We do have a PDA running AmigaOS to begin with (unfortunately I don't think I am allowed to show the video I recorded), and there are concrete plans (which I surely cannot comment on).
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While you fiddle with your PDA, take a look at this video showing linux+enlightenment on the Zaurus PDA.
I'd be curious to know how you think you can compete with that, or linux in general, in the PDA market, yet alone with giants like Windows CE, Symbian and the like.Last edited by falemagn on 20-May-2006 at 01:14 PM.
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