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abalaban 
Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why...
Posted on 25-Sep-2006 10:05:27
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@polka.

OS4Emu is not illegal on his own : it's just an emulator/wrapper around OS4 APIs to MOS APIs.
However what *is* illegal is that to work some *copyrighted* OS4 material may need to be copied in the MOS env, and as such this is piracy...

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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why...
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@NutsAboutAmiga

"ShowGirls is not that complicated program, there are quite few nice Image view programs already on OS4, way don’t you use one of them?"

any example of a viewer available for os4 with similar feature set?:)

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@abalaban

The other potential issue is that the EULAs of OS4 software might stipulate that it can only be run on OS4 - that would technically make it illegal to run the software on MOS via OS4Emu.

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Posted on 25-Sep-2006 10:11:43
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I remember being round an OS4 beta testers house and he had a very buggy MOS emu running.. it worked.

However, It was never released because of the potential fall out..

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Posted on 25-Sep-2006 10:16:27
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@polka.

I can understand it better since a good browser is indeed needed.

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Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why...
Posted on 25-Sep-2006 10:16:42
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@NutsAboutAmiga

And how do you think you will run these apps on OS4?

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* Pixel32

This one doesn't even work that properly on MorphOS yet... (Umm... Yes, and it's _NOT_ FPC's fault. )

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*The KHTML project.

Misses MUI4 support (among others).

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* Blender3D
* Descent:Freespace 2
* Virtual Grand Prix 2
* Neverball and Neverputt


And these apps/games could be easily ported to OS4, after proper OpenGL support (or MesaGL, or call it whatever you want) came to OS4... How do you expect an API wrapper to emulate functionality for apps coming from another system, when the actual functionality is missing from the OS itself? And i don't mean to bridge API/ABI differences, or emulate smaller things (this is what OS4emu does), but whole subsystems are missing...

BTW, if you want to run these apps, you can still buy (yes you CAN, it's available) a Pegasos right now, and run them. (OMG, more blue guerilla marketing!!!111 )

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@Chris_Y

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The other potential issue is that the EULAs of OS4 software might stipulate that it can only be run on OS4 - that would technically make it illegal to run the software on MOS via OS4Emu.

Such EULA's are illegal in several countries. And if you think about it, it really doesn't make any sense to make such restrictions. Why an app maker would restrict his own app to be run on whatever system if it's possible, and loose users on such a tiny market like ours? Except the hate against MorphOS, but such stuff would just make me laugh, and run the software after the laugh.

To be honest, companies with proper thinking even make money from such emulators like OS4emu, instead of making stupid restrictions... (Take a google on Cedega, Crossover Office, Odin32, other WINE variations for examples...)

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We don't need it. Resources used on creating an emulation layer would be better spent developing native programs.

That's not to say I wouldn't like to see cooperation between ALL Amiga-like OSs to aid cross development. (eg implementing similar API calls etc).

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Posted on 25-Sep-2006 12:21:27
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@yoodoo2

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That's not to say I wouldn't like to see cooperation between ALL Amiga-like OSs to aid cross development. (eg implementing similar API calls etc).


And its exactly what we need!
Developer that looks for apps that will run on every AmigaOS like system...
Unfortunately STUPID wars against Amiga users seems the simplyest way for someone instead of COOPERATION and idea exchange...
Bha...

For the ShowGirls related:
It was FANTASTIC! And NO! Whe dont have anything similar on OS4 neither for gui/functions neither for speed (!!!!!)...
And naturally any other apps(if Sputnik will works on an hypotetic MOSemu that will be a GREAT thing!) that we don't have atm...
No STUPID flames on that PLEASE!

Tuxedo.

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nine 
Re: I think we need MOS emu...And I will explain you why...
Posted on 25-Sep-2006 12:55:50
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@Tuxedo

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Unfortunately STUPID wars against Amiga users seems the simplyest way for someone instead of COOPERATION and idea exchange...


Steady on... that's entirely too much sense for one message!

Throw in some "build a wall between OS4/MOS users", "please port this to x86!!!!1" and "that's illegal lol!" items for good measure

There is a gaping wide hole of opportunity for cooperation, and a lot of developers take it. Some users could do with being more tolerant, especially since they'll redirect their hatred for one person to a whole userbase who happen to be using their hardware, and the OS associated with it.

Anyway, sticking with topic, am I imagining things or was there a MOSemu for OS4? I'm sure I've seen one... This picture seems to indicate that there is. Was there ever a release?

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@nine

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Was there ever a release?


No public release.

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Chip 
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Posted on 25-Sep-2006 15:53:12
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@Tuxedo

Why don't you simply ask the Author kindly to do an AmigaOS4 port?

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Chip 
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@nine

No, and it never will. It was just a proof of concept.

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Argo 
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Posted on 25-Sep-2006 16:41:39
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@Chris_Y

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... OS4 software might stipulate that it can only be run on OS4 - that would technically make it illegal to run the software on MOS via OS4Emu.


While not valid, enforceable, or not enforced in all contries. An author could check for the presence of Uboot, I suppose. Though would it really be worth it.

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Posted on 25-Sep-2006 17:49:45
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@Chip

"No, and it never will.'"

why is that? because os4 users will benefit from it? coz os4 can have more usable software? i think its silly...

a lot of developers have only 1 platform: o4 or mos (or 3.x ofcoz:) maybe they want to release their software on the "other" platform, but they cant. there must be some kind of cooperation - and i think os4emu and future mosemu will do the job.

take a look at the developer who made the milkytracker port: as i heard he was happy to hear that milky is running on mos via os4emu. and he will release a version of milkytracker that solve the problem with 32 bit screens on mos (bad colors). not a moprhos version of milky but a fixed os4 version for morphos! yeah, thats the way! a big up for ya man!

anyway, amiga users have to hate micro$soft and winblows (as in the good old days:) not each other! i love everyone who uses amiga systems, let it be a classic, amiga1/os4 or pegamos or in the future other hardware/os combo user. we have the same roots the same interests and we representing a special way of computing.

spread love not hate!

make mosemu for os4!

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Posted on 25-Sep-2006 17:55:00
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@$adddam

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@Chip

"No, and it never will.'"

why is that? because os4 users will benefit from it? coz os4 can have more usable software? i think its silly...


Maybe because it doesn't work properly and he is afraid to be critizised by ChainQ.

/me runs away

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Posted on 25-Sep-2006 18:01:04
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Chris_Y:
Such EULAs are not working in most parts of the
sane world*. Whatever you buy you own.

* Jepp! USA is an insane country where you pay
thousands of USD for an application and yet you
down own it.


Argo:
Guess you guys think you never get AmigaOS 4.0
for the Classic Amigas, right? No Uboot there..

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mattk 
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Posted on 25-Sep-2006 18:11:04
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@$adddam

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a lot of developers have only 1 platform: o4 or mos (or 3.x ofcoz:) maybe they want to release their software on the "other" platform, but they cant.

If a developer has an OS4 machine, then write OS4 code. MOS users can run that using OS4Emu.

If a developer has a MOS machine, then download the OS4 SDK and write OS4 code. Use OS4Emu to test. OS4 users can run that native. MOS users can run that using OS4Emu.

Sounds like a good arrangement to me.

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Chip 
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Posted on 25-Sep-2006 18:15:14
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@$adddam

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why is that?


Simply: To force the developers to do native version.
Anyway, nobody will be shooten if he/she make a mosemu him/herself.

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i think its silly...


Me too.

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but they cant.


Please! The crosscompilers were invented for that purpose exactly.

Last edited by Chip on 25-Sep-2006 at 07:40 PM.

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@mattk

Perfect point!

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