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tomazkid 
Firefox on X11
Posted on 11-Jul-2007 21:27:33
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http://www.amigasoft.net/misc/amizilla.png

Go Afxgroup go!

Make it so!

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lionstorm 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 11-Jul-2007 21:30:30
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@tomazkid

113Mo for the exe

Anyway for your work !

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Hans 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 11-Jul-2007 21:32:36
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@tomazkid

That screenshot only show that he managed to get it compiled. That's a pretty big milestone though. It also show that it runs with certain command line options that spit out text data.

What we're waiting for is a screenshot/video showing him executing "firefox" without extra parameters, and having it load up fully.

Hans

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Kicko 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 11-Jul-2007 21:33:00
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X11

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Hans 
Re: Firefox on X11
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@lionstorm

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@tomazkid

113Mo for the exe

Anyway for your work !


Relax, it's the debug version. Debug versions are almost always several times the size they should be.

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Bean 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 11-Jul-2007 21:47:00
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@Kicko

X11 is the right way to go about it, at least initially.

I've got high hopes for this, well done Afxgroup.

Cheers,
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Fransexy 
Re: Firefox on X11
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@Kicko

What really me is that probably this thread will get less comments than any of the useless court threads.

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Bean 
Re: Firefox on X11
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@Fransexy

Court threads? What court threads?

You're probably right though!

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Bobsonsirjonny 
Re: Firefox on X11
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@tomazkid

I hope Afxgroup can pull this off, and can claim the bounty:

http://www.discreetfx.com/AmiZilla.html

They deserve it - a decent browser will really push the platform forward :D

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Amigo1 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 11-Jul-2007 22:38:53
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@tomazkid

so did he some progress?
that screenshot seems to be dated 22nd of may 2007, unless he set a wrong system date he's hopefully a little closer to run firefox fully

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spotUP 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 11-Jul-2007 22:49:11
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AFX... what can I say. I am speechless.
You proved that one man could do what 20 ####ers couldn't! Endless RESPECT!

I hope you will release all linklibs too. I guess other ports could benefit from them.

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walkero 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 11-Jul-2007 22:58:23
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Let me have it, Let me have it..... And I'll show them what AMIGA really means

Well done. Keep up the good work man.

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Akiko 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 12-Jul-2007 0:06:22
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This wasn't what I was expecting You roxx!

Last edited by Akiko on 12-Jul-2007 at 12:08 AM.

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spihunter 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 12-Jul-2007 1:13:38
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@tomazkid,

I'd say that this is quite a good step considering that the OO.org team has had to rely on a X11 port for OSX for some time. X11 ports are not that bad. I've been using them on my Mac for awhile now

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_ThEcRoW 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 12-Jul-2007 1:16:17
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What is exactly X11 on the Amiga?. Onlinux it's the GUI, but is a certain app on the Amiga?
I really want to know as i'm now with no clue.
Thanks!!!

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sundown 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 12-Jul-2007 1:59:59
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@_ThEcRoW

As far as I know this installs on os4, but I haven't tried it yet.

Readme on os4 depot:
What is X11?
------------

The X Window System is the base for the all graphical user interfaces on unix
or linux systems. No matter which GUI-toolkit is used, on the lowest level
works X11.
The system is splitted into a server and in a client part, which is typical
for unix like systems. The server is responsible for processing the graphics
and handles the user events like mouse-moves or key-events. The client
finally is an application (e.g. a paint-program or a text-editor), which is
using this system for displaying his windows.

What is the advantage to have this on an amiga-system? It makes it easier to
port open source software to the amiga, because the sources for the GUI part
can be compiled without any (or at least very few) changes.

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RacerX 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 12-Jul-2007 2:14:52
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@tomazkid

Quote:

tomazkid wrote:
http://www.amigasoft.net/misc/amizilla.png

Go Afxgroup go!

Make it so!



Same here!

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salass00 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 12-Jul-2007 6:40:48
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@Hans

Quote:

Relax, it's the debug version. Debug versions are almost always several times the size they should be.


Another reason is that on AmigaOS everything has to be statically linked (x11 client, gtk, gdk, etc.) because AOS doesn't support dynamic linking like on Linux/UNIX. It has already been stated though that the next OS4 update will have dynamic linking and the ability to make/use .so (shared object) files (f.e. there already is a libpython.so). Making use of this should make the exe a lot smaller than it is now.

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Swoop 
Re: Firefox on X11
Posted on 12-Jul-2007 10:08:23
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@salass00

Quote:
salass00 wrote:

Another reason is that on AmigaOS everything has to be statically linked (x11 client, gtk, gdk, etc.) because AOS doesn't support dynamic linking like on Linux/UNIX. It has already been stated though that the next OS4 update will have dynamic linking and the ability to make/use .so (shared object) files (f.e. there already is a libpython.so). Making use of this should make the exe a lot smaller than it is now.

So, what is the difference between a shared library and one of these shared object files? Is .so just another name for a shared library?

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salass00 
Re: Firefox on X11
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@Swoop

An AmigaOS exec shared library doesn't use dynamic linking, instead the library code is loaded programmatically (OpenLibrary) and a library base (on OS4 an interface pointer is again retrieved from this (GetInterface)). Also the library only needs to be loaded into memory once (saves memory if it is used by many programs).

In the OS3.x case the base address contains 68k jmp instructions at specific negative offsets (the term jumptable comes from this), these are then called through the library base pointer placed in A6 (f.e. to call a function at offset -36: jsr -36(a6)).

On OS4 the interface pointer used is simply a structure containing pointers to the functions code. The pointer is retrieved from it and then a function call is made to it.

Dynamic linking is the same as static linking except that the linking is done when the program is run by the OS rather than being done by the compiler. Shared object (.so) are I think sometimes also referred to as "shared libraries" which may cause some confusion as AOS-style libraries are also referred to using this name.

Also because an exec-style shared library is only loaded into memory once and can be use by more than one program the programmer has to ensure that all functions are re-entrant (can be used by several programs at the same time). This somewhat limits how global and static variables can be used in the code since these would be the same for all programs.

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