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Poll : Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Yes please!
No, I have BPPC-SCSI but I'm not interested in OS4
No, I have BlizzardPPC without SCSI
No, I have a CyberstormPPC
No, I don't have a classic PPC Amiga
 
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stevieu 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 24-Feb-2008 21:05:58
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@kgrach

And that's a sad sad situation... still, it's human nature, I guess.

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d0c 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 24-Feb-2008 22:00:29
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i dont have aos4.0 or bppc with scsi but i like to have a option... the only way to get this driver done is to do a....

bounty

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Rob 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 24-Feb-2008 22:12:53
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@Plaz

Quote:
Might be a bit unusual, but would a bounty make a difference here?


I would be happy to pay into a bounty just to help others out.

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Rob 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 24-Feb-2008 22:38:13
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@TiredofLife

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I have a scsi BPPC but have only ever used IDE.Does anyone know how a FastATAIII compares to a scsi on a BPPC?


DMA should make quite a difference if you want to play videos or listen to mp3 while doing other tasks.

You should be able to get IDE to SCSI adapters so you don't have to shell out for new drives. Probably best find which adapters other people use with their BPPC setup, there's bound be a few people around here that use them.

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samface 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 24-Feb-2008 23:34:41
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@COBRA

For me, this is a go or no go for an AmigaOS4 classic purchase. I rid my A1200 of everything IDE once I got my BPPC with SCSI. I simply refuse to downgrading back to the awful performance of the original 2.5" IDE on-board connector and I won't buy AmigaOS4 AND a Mediator board, it's simply money I cannot justify spending on my old Amiga.

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TiredofLife 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 24-Feb-2008 23:57:55
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@Dragster

There are OS4 drivers for the FastATAIII.
Not for the the other models though.

@All

I hope somebody does a driver for the scsi option then as I think everybody agrees this would be the best.
(Everybody agreeing in Amiga land on something, it must be true )

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Rudei 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 25-Feb-2008 12:54:20
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@Plaz

I'd say a bounty is an excellent idea - how could we start one?
Seems to work in MOS and AROS territories so why not?

Rude!

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Rudei 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 26-Feb-2008 8:58:33
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@Rudei

Bump!

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Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 26-Feb-2008 9:08:32
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@Rudei, d0c

Troels and myself are working hard to get www.amigabounty.net back up again soon. We will use Orgins fantastic Liquorice Bounty Engine, so everyone interested can register and suggest a new bounty, write comments and of course donate to open bounties.

We hope to be able to launch a beta version within 1 or 2 weeks with the basic functionality and of course updated informations on the Sputnik and Allegro bounties.

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d4m0n 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 26-Feb-2008 9:42:38
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I ditched IDE shortly after getting the BPPC card for technical/performance reasons.

However, I've still bought a copy of OS4.0, with the *temporary* solution of a buffered IDE card - a road I said I'd never go down! The point is, I'd still need another SCSI HD because the other two are full (one OS3.9, the other Linux). I have an old (*very* old!) IDE HD of 420MB which I'm going to have to use for the time being, or get a CF card & adapter.

An annoying thing is having to take an IDE CD-ROM out of another machine and temporarily "hang it from the case" to install OS4.0 - which, with working away atm, I haven't had the chance to do yet This also means that I don't have access to CDs on the local machine whilst booted (HD/CD/Scanner/Tape all work of the SCSI bus...)

The SCSI driver would be great, and seeing as their is a classic and a Linux version, I wouldn't imagine that it would be too much work...

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JurassicC 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 26-Feb-2008 13:53:05
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@kgrach

Quote:

kgrach wrote:
@all

The problem comes if Hyperion backward engineered the SCSI driver in the blizzppc.
Ralph would sue the hell out of hyperion and you would never see it.



Would it need reverse engineering, I mean is it feasble to extract the blizzppc.device from the ROM and use it under emulation as a 68K KMOD, perhaps releasing a patch if needed.
As long as you own a blizzard ppc and don't distribute the device, just the extraction tool / patch, I can't see it being a problem.

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ddni 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 26-Feb-2008 14:30:05
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Something that nags at me is that the SCSI timing is directly linked to the 68k chip. As OS4 disables the 68k does this mean SCSI control cannot be done without 68k emulation?

Last edited by ddni on 26-Feb-2008 at 02:30 PM.

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Crumb 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 26-Feb-2008 16:31:47
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@ddni

uhhh? SCSI timing is not connected to 68k.

MorphOS has nice native ppc scsi/ide drivers so forget that crazy ideas.

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ddni 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 26-Feb-2008 16:36:56
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@Crumb

ok thats good news.

I found that overclocking the 68k led to SCSI errors so I took it that they were liknked.

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Derringer 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 26-Feb-2008 16:47:57
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@ddni

I think if you overclock more than the memory timings limit, the problem is the memory side not the scsi.

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Crumb 
Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 26-Feb-2008 18:00:56
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@ddni

You sync the chips using a crystal oscillator, not from the m68k chip.

On BlizzardPPC you may use the same crystal for both memory, m68k and scsi chip but that doesn't mean the scsi chip gets its timing from the m68k chip.

All that parts get the timing from the crystal.

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Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 26-Feb-2008 21:29:28
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@COBRA

I have a Cyberstorm PPC card but voted for BPPC-SCSI driver. I am willing to offer a BVision PPC board on loan to any developer who wants to write a suitable SCSI driver.

TrevorDick

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Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 26-Feb-2008 21:54:24
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@COBRA

thanks for the poll yes l love my blizzard ppc card to have scssi support thats why spent extar money and got it in the first place native ide sucks big time

l have gone brought 4.3 gig scssi wide drive and have scanner l used to use and external 6 cd changer all just sitting unused.

l thought was becuase they choudint get the plans to the cards know it seems just cant be bothered great attitude guys.

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Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 26-Feb-2008 22:00:40
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@kgrach

thats why l whould never support mos the guy is a @### l wont use what l think of him. he he got feedup with all that nonsence years ago when brought my blizzard ppc brandnew #### like him are the reason ppc didnt take of.

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Re: [Poll] Do you have a BPPC-SCSI and would like an OS4 driver for it?
Posted on 27-Feb-2008 0:35:33
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@JurassicC

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Would it need reverse engineering, I mean is it feasble to extract the blizzppc.device from the ROM and use it under emulation as a 68K KMOD, perhaps releasing a patch if needed.


Come on --- it's a known chip, with a known way of addressing it (it *does* work under Linux APUS, so if one does not know what chip it is or how to access it, one only needs to look there). Just work from the data sheet; It's the best way of writing drivers, anyway.

Nobody has said there is a technical problem with writing a driver. The issue is not information, it's manpower. Nobody who is qualified has put up their hand, simple as that. That's an indication of just how insignificant the market is, not a sign of some conspiracy or persecution.

Get over the whole "Ralph is the devil" nonsense. Ralph, while strong-willed and having a very low tolerance of stupidity (and an accompanying lack of social graces, possibly intentional), has always struck me as both capable and aiming at technical excellence where possible. And it wasn't P5 that started the kernel wars, any more than it was the MorphOS team that decided there needed to be two separate and incompatible Amiga-ish PPC OSs.

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