I've finally found the next-gen hardware that we have been looking for. It will require slight adjustments to the OS, but it's multi-core, expandable, and powerful.

Here.

What, it's too expensive? I thought that you were used to that! Plus, this time it's value for money; you really do get a powerful system for that amount.

For a low-end version, we could design a single-blade chassis with a few drive bays.

Hans

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Nice find!

Almost as expensive as some PPC cards going on on Ebay recently

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Pah! Old technology. I've been using one for nearly a year now for OS4 development.

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Oh Boi...

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Or how about this and an AIX 6 hosted version of AmigaOS?

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voyager2007 wrote: @Hans Or how about this and an AIX 6 hosted version of AmigaOS?

Nice. But I think that I would prefer a full rack.

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Yeah, then you can add new blades whenever you feel like it!

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Nah, you need one of these

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I've finally found the next-gen hardware that we have been looking for. It will require slight adjustments to the OS, but it's multi-core, expandable, and powerful.

You know, actually the price isn't too bad. I was looking up the specs for it and found that they have quad core Power CPU's running at 4GHz! Now that's POWER! Imagine what AmigaOS4 could do on a four-core PowerPC running at 4000MHz with Real3d!! All we need to do is rip out the old fashioned SCSI and replace it with SATA.

To compare, obviously only for games, but how much does does a 4GHz quad core PC cost? Can even PC's run at 4000MHz yet? Looks like PowerPC isn't too bad at all. Now why weren't Apple using these fast CPUs? Too late for Apple now, c'mon Amiga join IBM and give them an OS!

@Hypex

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Can even PC's run at 4000MHz yet

Refer to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzF4Vg6_R9Y

The focus is on mobile and stream co-processor arrays e.g. GpGPU.

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Now why weren't Apple using these fast CPUs?

PowerPC/Power/.... nah.... refer to MacOS X 10.6's OpenCL (OpenGL's CUDA) and mobility.

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Umm, I get "this video is no longer available"... does it work for you?

Maybe I need to restart my router, for the 127128172812812th time...

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The focus is on mobile and stream co-processor arrays e.g. GpGPU.

No, GpGPU is just your favourite buzz-word. There are a lots of developments in the computing world, and GPUs is just one of them. Your statement on mobile operation is correct though. However, even the server market is getting power conscious, and we're going to be seeing more efficient hardware and software for servers with lower power requirements. IBM used water-cooling instead of air-conditioning for their latest super-computer (which has a mix of Power and Xeon CPUs IIRC), dropping power requirements significantly.

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Quote: Now why weren't Apple using these fast CPUs? PowerPC/Power/.... nah.... refer to MacOS X 10.6's OpenCL (OpenGL's CUDA) and mobility.

What on earth does OpenCL have to do with CPU architecture? Nothing. The fact is that Apple was using the PowerPC 970, but switched because IBM and Freescale weren't giving them what they wanted (a mobility version).

@Hypex
Whilst this was a joke, I could probably make a fairly good case for doing this. These blades are cutting edge (there's a Cell based one too BTW), available now in reasonable quantities, and IBM is likely to keep on producing them (or derivatives thereof) for some time. Being PowerPC, porting OS4 would take weeks instead of years for an x86 port. A single-blade chassis would be all that a desktop user requires so no need to buy a 7U rack-mount case (which has space for up to 6 blades).

Plus, I'd be crazy enough to buy one ... if I had the money. With multiple blades, I could set up a pretty decent render-farm.

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It works here, but doesn't really show a great deal (all bios imagery - hard to read much of due to shaky camera work - but you do get to see 2.66GHz CPU speed setting stating that it has been over clocked to 4GHz), as well as the POST complaining that the "CPU is unknown and a bios update is required to unleash its full power!"

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What on earth does OpenCL have to do with CPU architecture?

Like FPU co-processors before them, most of the math extensive work loads are being off loaded to the GpGPU. For example, the latest Adobe Photoshop has extensive GpGPU support.

My Fold@Home GPU2 on my Geforce 8600M GT delivers 940 PPD with 5 to 10 percent CPU usage.

OpenCL brings CUDA style middleware to every day applications.



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Nothing. The fact is that Apple was using the PowerPC 970, but switched because IBM and Freescale weren't giving them what they wanted (a mobility version).

The fact is, both AMD and Intel compete via system platform method (e.g. Intel "SantaRosa"(under the "Centrino" brand), AMD “Puma”) that includes a stream co-processor array (IGP).

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Freescale weren't giving them what they wanted (a mobility version).

Freescale PowerPCs are already in mobile space TDP. Also, Altivec is just crap against Intel X3100 IGP's stream prcoessors. Care to compare POWER6's VMX vs my Radeon HD 3870 in raytrace?

Refer to http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/
"In terms of performance, the Radeon 2900XT 1GB rendered Transformers scenes in 20-30 frames per second, in 720p resolution and no Anti-Aliasing. With the Radeon 3870, the test scene jumped to 60 fps, with a drop to 20 fps when the proprietary Anti-Aliasing algorithm was applied. Urbach mentioned that the Radeon 4870 hits the same 60 fps – and stays at that level with Anti-Aliasing (a ray-tracer is not expecting more than 60 fps.) "

Neo-Amiga’s fixation on a particular CPU runs contrary to the original Amiga context i.e. system platform centric with its custom IGP.

So, who’s following the original Amiga’s sprit? It's definitely not these CPU centric stakeholders.

GpGPU is not my favourite buzz-word.

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Hammer wrote: @Hans Quote: What on earth does OpenCL have to do with CPU architecture? Like FPU co-processors before them, most of the math extensive work loads are being off loaded to the GpGPU. For example, the latest Adobe Photoshop has extensive GpGPU support. My Fold@Home GPU2 on my Geforce 8600M GT delivers 940 PPD with 5 to 10 percent CPU usage. OpenCL brings CUDA style middleware to every day applications.

OpenCL is CPU architecture independent. There's nothing to stop you using it with any CPU type, from ARM to x86, to some custom CPU.



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Nothing. The fact is that Apple was using the PowerPC 970, but switched because IBM and Freescale weren't giving them what they wanted (a mobility version).

The fact is, both AMD and Intel compete via system platform method (e.g. Intel "SantaRosa"(under the "Centrino" brand), AMD “Puma”) that includes a stream co-processor array (IGP).

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Quote: Freescale weren't giving them what they wanted (a mobility version). Freescale PowerPCs are already in mobile space TDP. Also, Altivec is just crap against Intel X3100 IGP's stream prcoessors. Care to compare POWER6's VMX vs my Radeon HD 3870 in raytrace?

Here we go again. You are comparing a CPU-implemented algorithm to a GPU implemented algorithm and then saying "look, the GPU one was faster." You can attach a stream processor as co-processor to any CPU type. I've told you this before, but you keep on repeating the same stuff.

Apple really wasn't happy with not being given what they wanted. Their customers were asking for more powerful (e.g. G5) laptops, and IBM was making it hard to deliver. IIRC, no G5 laptop was ever made for this reason.

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Neo-Amiga’s fixation on a particular CPU runs contrary to the original Amiga context i.e. system platform centric with its custom IGP. So, who’s following the original Amiga’s sprit? It's definitely not these CPU centric stakeholders.

Your desire to smack down everything non-x86 is comical. You are in effect, also a CPU stakeholder; an x86 one.

For the record, my support for remaining PowerPC for now is because hardware is in-fact available now, and it could all be ported and available within a month or two if all the legal and licensing silliness stopped.

This was meant to be a light-hearted joke thread. Please keep the x86 vs PowerPC BS out of it.

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IBM used water-cooling instead of air-conditioning for their latest super-computer (which has a mix of Power and Xeon CPUs IIRC)

I'm nitpicking but it's PowerXCell and Opteron (AMD).

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This was meant to be a light-hearted joke thread. Please keep the x86 vs PowerPC BS out of it.

I second that.

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@Hans
:lol

I'm guessing then, that you've never heard an IBM blade chassis in operation?

I'll leave it at - sounds like a jet plane, and yes, they make 'hush kits.'

You do NOT want a blade chassis at home...

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wegster wrote: @Hans :lol I'm guessing then, that you've never heard an IBM blade chassis in operation? I'll leave it at - sounds like a jet plane, and yes, they make 'hush kits.' You do NOT want a blade chassis at home...

I'm well aware of the noise. Makes it sound like you have real power.

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Hans wrote: @wegster Quote: wegster wrote: @Hans I'm guessing then, that you've never heard an IBM blade chassis in operation? I'll leave it at - sounds like a jet plane, and yes, they make 'hush kits.' You do NOT want a blade chassis at home... I'm well aware of the noise. Makes it sound like you have real power. Hans

: Ok, can't argue with that one..

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