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Re: [Poll] Would you purchase an Amy Developer MB for $300-350 US /227 Euro?
Posted on 14-Feb-2009 5:18:27
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@minator

The Amiga market was damaged far more by underfunded small companies without professional management and insufficient resources and expertise announcing all sorts of hardware which they never delivered and could never have delivered for those exact reasons.

This includes companies like I-Win, Escena, Titan, Metabox, Phase 5 (AmiRage anybody?), ACK etc. etc.

Hyperion objects to this type of "announcement" policy especially if it deters people from buying actual hardware from companies that have succeeded in developing and producing suitable hardware.

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Re: [Poll] Would you purchase an Amy Developer MB for $300-350 US /227 Euro?
Posted on 14-Feb-2009 8:01:19
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@minator

A good lesson, thanks.

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Re: [Poll] Would you purchase an Amy Developer MB for $300-350 US /227 Euro?
Posted on 14-Feb-2009 8:04:16
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@Hyperionmp

Is you replying so much in only one thread meaning that hostilities are currently going to the ending state of things?

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Re: [Poll] Would you purchase an Amy Developer MB for $300-350 US /227 Euro?
Posted on 14-Feb-2009 9:26:54
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Quote:
Key Features: * MPC8536E PowerQUICC® III processor * 512 MB DDR2 DIMM * Two SATA connectors (Type I and Type L) * Three PCI Express slots, one PCI slot with dynamic support of 33 MHz and 66 MHz cards * Three USB connectors (two host and one device) * Two SD media slots * Four eSPI EEPROMs (64 MB total) * Two 10/100/1000 Ethernet connectors * SGMII riser card slot (SGMII-RISER) * Real-time clock * Two RS232 connectors * JTAG header * 128 MB NOR flash memory, GB NAND flash memory * Power and temperature monitoring circuitry


Where do you have these specs from?

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Re: [Poll] Would you purchase an Amy Developer MB for $300-350 US /227 Euro?
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The Amiga market was damaged far more by underfunded small companies without professional management and insufficient resources and expertise announcing all sorts of SOFTware which they never delivered OR could never have delivered IN TIME for those exact reasons.

This includes companies like ........


Btw, I don't remember Titan ever announcing any HW.

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Re: [Poll] Would you purchase an Amy Developer MB for $300-350 US /227 Euro?
Posted on 14-Feb-2009 9:40:04
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I guess soon Troika will announce that their working on a Amiga laptop, and soon 50 people here will be cheering for yet another paper-ware, and the story will continue.

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Posted on 14-Feb-2009 9:40:41
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@minator

Very well said!

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Re: [Poll] Would you purchase an Amy Developer MB for $300-350 US /227 Euro?
Posted on 14-Feb-2009 9:46:57
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@Rogue Quote:
That is what I commented on, nothing else. I hinted at NOTHING, and any claims to that are ridiculous.

I won't take that personally, since you clearly don't want to be seen to violate an NDA. (Not that I think you did, but we can certainly make educated guesses based on what you did not say.)

Although quite who that NDA is with, if not Troika, and why they would object to you helping the product you have an NDA about, is a puzzle.

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Re: [Poll] Would you purchase an Amy Developer MB for $300-350 US /227 Euro?
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@stedy (post #242 on 9-Feb-2009 22:41:16)
Thanks for being more up-front about past & present progress. Seems fairly plausible, and matches with a few scraps of info I remember reading at the time. Although I do wonder why you did not loudly warn people about the incorrect 2005 announcement as soon as you heard of it - would have saved you a LOT of problems.

I hope that you don't regret your openness in light of Fairlanefastback's posts (which were overly aggressive in tone - some of them were reasonable questions, while others would clearly delve too far into company politics to be answered).

I won't add more, since it is clearly a case of "wait and see". Hopefully less "wait" and more "see"


@everyone else
My only recommendation, which has been unchanged for several years now, is make your purchase decisions based on WHAT YOU CAN BUY RIGHT NOW. Waiting for promised stuff (aka vaporware), is an extremely risky business (especially in the Amiga market).

Currently this means Sam440 or nothing, so you need to decide if Sam440 is "good enough" for your needs, versus waiting an unknown (but probably long) amount of time for something which may or may not be better (or never even appear at all).

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@Kronos Quote:
The Amiga market was damaged far more by underfunded small companies without professional management and insufficient resources and expertise announcing all sorts of SOFTware which they never delivered OR could never have delivered IN TIME for those exact reasons.

That's a bit unfair, since it wasn't just Hyperion involved in developing OS4 back in 2000/2001, but rather a large group of people & companies (e.g. Haage & Partner). Many people & companies failed to deliver what they had promised, leaving Hyperion to deal with it. Then of course the problems with Amiga Inc hampered stuff after Eyetech stopped producing AmigaOnes.

Hyperion do have some blame to share, but IMHO the majority can be placed on others.

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@Hyperionmp Quote:
For the sake of clarity, the Hyperion management would like to point out that with respect to AmigaOS 4.x no license or distribution agreement with Troika or any Troika associates was entered into by Hyperion or is even being negotiated between the parties at this point.

Thanks for the clarification. It is unsurprising that Troika are not seeking OS4 license for Amy'05 or Panda or Hercules, but it is a little strange they are not currently negotiating one for Athena, if it is truly 99% finished... Perhaps they will start negotiations, if they feel the result of this poll was sufficiently positive.

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Posted on 14-Feb-2009 10:33:51
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@Kronos

Titan did announce a PowerPC accelerator card on their website. Not that it matters.

With respect to Hyperion, you can say what you want, but the fact remains that currently AmigaOS 4.x is deployed on Cyberstorm PPC, BlizzardPPC, AmigaOne, Pegasos II and SAM. It supports 603e, 604e, PPC 750, MPC 74XX and AMCC 440 CPU's.

It was successfully demonstrated running on a IBM 405 PDA.

It is also clear that its feature-set and development environment far surpasses or at the very least matches that of other AmigaOS like systems around and most of them started far before Hyperion started work on Amiga OS 4 in November of 2001.

And they didn't have to deal with the massive financial and management distraction in the form of several lawsuits going on for almost 2 years now.

Maybe we should go back in time and revisit the posts from the numerous "nay sayers" who claimed AmigaOS 4 would never be released.

As time went by, the only argument is now "that it took too long".

If even a fraction of the announced hardware was released, it certainly would not have taken so long.


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Posted on 14-Feb-2009 11:14:10
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@Hyperionmp

Thanks for your perspective view. A prospective one should be interesting also.

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Good to see that some reflexes are still in place

Just to clarify, I wasn't implying only Hyperion (there are/were many others who fall into the same category), and i case of Hyperion I wasn't just refering to OS4 but far more to all the announced game ports who only appeared years later or never at all.

@HyperionMP

OS4 as it was announced back than never came to reality (you know with task-based emulation running on the Escena-A1). And yes I think releasing something that was announced for the next 6 months years later (actually "pre-releasing it") does proove those nay-sayers more right than wrong.

And offcourse those other OSes also had there problems to deal with, not atleast a certain FUD-campaign. The real difference is that you have been warned about exactly these problems beforehand (and refused to listen).

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@Hyperionmp

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The Amiga market was damaged far more by underfunded small companies without professional management and insufficient resources and expertise announcing all sorts of hardware which they never delivered and could never have delivered for those exact reasons.


The Amiga market is at a crucial stage. There is hope and there is frustration at the same time.
I am sitting here looking at my copy of Amiga OS4.1 Package for Sam440 but with no hardware to run it on. I am waiting for the Sam440ep-flex, but even the Sam440eps are not available.

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Posted on 14-Feb-2009 12:26:04
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@Spectre660

And what will you think that could do with the sam440? Running Q3 at 640x480 on 20 inc widescreen monitor, lol? And I am speaking here as an owner of a sam+4.1. It's not the money you are giving the problem. It's that the board is almost unusable because it is underpowered.

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@thread

I can see in the last few pages that this thread is in danger of going off on numerous tangents regarding excuses and blame.
Before you all go down that road, please ask yourself what any of that kind of talk will accomplish here.
The only choice to be made at this time by anyone involved is whether to go forward...or not.

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May we all GO FORWARD, while we are still alive and well.

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May I suggest that you start a thread complaining about the speed of the Sam440 (as you see it), rather than continually sniping in other Sam-related threads?

I have some things that I could say, but I don't want to set you going again in this thread...

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The Amiga market was damaged far more by underfunded small companies without professional management and insufficient resources and expertise announcing all sorts of hardware which they never delivered and could never have delivered for those exact reasons.



As much as I believe this thread is now going I just can’t let this pass.

The Amiga market over the years has been kept alive by these under funded small companies. They invested their hard earned money, and time into the projects. Even if they failed in their project they kept hope alive, and interest in the Amiga community. One excellent example of this is the Minimig.

This also should be said of the many software developers who work unpaid, or under funded to keep OS4x work or interest in the Amiga community alive.

IMHO this should be your concern: SEAL Ends Amiga Support ...

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