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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 13:55:47
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I had a look, but couldn't see how to contribute so I didn't bother.



You first have to register, then click on "OWB galegon" in the project list, and then "+Add issue".

Please everyone do "bother" and take your time to report bugs in the bugtracker if you want them to be fixed, because our already overloaded developers just don't have the time to search the forums for bug reports on all the various Amiga-related websites, and it takes just a few minutes of Your time to enter bugs into the tracker, but it makes a big difference to the developers working on these projects.

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 14:02:01
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@all talking about animgif

Just a note to help track when this started happening, in case it does turn out to be related to animgif.

As I said in the thread on OWB V3.8:

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But, if the operative word is "seems", then maybe it IS something in particular, like animgif.


2 different people in irc had speculated at that time that pages with animgif were showing this memory leak.
I never saw it on OS4.0, but perhaps I should leave the page up longer.

So, if this turn out to be the case and was not an older unnoticed bug, then something occurred between OWB V3.7 and V3.8 and not just now with V3.9.

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 15:39:01
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This memory leak problem is driving me crazy. Sometimes it looks like it's triggered with anim gifs but sometimes it's not. (I've tested only with Aw.net.) Whenever this memory leak happens CPU usage is constantly 100% and all that allocated memory is free'ed after quitting OWB. (No problems with 3.7.)

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 15:57:47
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For me, I get a nasty GR if I open a link in a tab and then close the tab before the page is fully loaded

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
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@Tomppeli

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This memory leak problem is driving me crazy. Sometimes it looks like it's triggered with anim gifs but sometimes it's not.


Which is why I suggested killing "swap", since that is memory related.
(just to rule it out)
I don't see any of this on OS4.0, which is why I suggested looking at the above.

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 16:59:13
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@wegster

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Yep, also confirming, was fine until that little guy (anim gif) showed on the screen, then mem usage too off like a rocket (like 50MB+ and growing)


ok. Running IBrowse, YAM, Wookie, OWB, etc. on OS4.0.
I'm on the 1st page with the (animgif) and see no change at ALL in memory in titlebar and nothing resembling a crash.
I understand titlebar memory is not accurate, but still...no movement whatsoever, compared to what you and Stephen_Robinson are reporting.

Oh. 1st post with OWB V3.9 btw.

Added: This post ended up on page 2 of course.
In returning to page 1 (with OWB V3.9), the animgif in question is now a still image.
In IBrowse (running simultaneously) the animgif in question is still "animated"

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 17:20:06
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@number6

I too am experiencing this memory leak trouble.

I went on http://www.amiga-ng.org and from this point, memory leak starts (the Gif anim ? ).

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Posted on 30-Mar-2009 17:30:03
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The same problem whit memory and OWB I have...

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 17:32:25
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@K-L

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I too am experiencing this memory leak trouble.
I went on http://www.amiga-ng.org and from this point, memory leak starts (the Gif anim ? ).


Does this happen after a cold start, running only OWB V3.9 and going to the site you mentioned?
And do you have an OS4.0 boot partition to confirm MY posts?

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 17:39:17
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@Tomppeli

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it seems to be using up my memory like no ones business

I can confirm that. And sometimes CPU usage is 100% without any visible reason.

This brings up an interesting question... there is a lot of talk about the improved responsiveness of Amiga OS 4.1 versus Windows and other OS'. But I've often wondered if this responsiveness is more a characteristic of the OS itself or its relative lack of third-party software.

For example, the problem with Windows sluggishness (XP at least) is largely a third-party software problem, where one rogue app pegs the CPU at 100% and chews up memory. And Suddenly Windows slows to a crawl. But such scenarios are not really the fault of Windows, as it has no way to anticipate or preempt such things.

So, all things being equal and Amiga OS 4.1 having the same number of apps that drain system resources, why should we expect Amiga OS 4.1 to retain its responsiveness edge?

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 17:43:31
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Thanks for 3.9. Now it dont crashes on facebook like the 3.8 did.
Works much better now. However i do see the memory problem
other have with its eating mem with that gifanim

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 18:25:56
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I've added that argh! gif as bookmark, started up OWB, no memory loss, opened up just that .gif and I could see my memory dropping.

In fact it's doing it now, it's probably those little smilies at the bottom of the page.

Now I'm actually on my OWB I shall try and bug report it.

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 18:46:57
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@jingof

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This brings up an interesting question... there is a lot of talk about the improved responsiveness of Amiga OS 4.1 versus Windows and other OS'. But I've often wondered if this responsiveness is more a characteristic of the OS itself or its relative lack of third-party software.


Its a combination of this factors, AmigaOS has a good task scheduler, and GUI system is where efficient. In the past the hardware aided the OS, it was not all software driven.

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For example, the problem with Windows sluggishness (XP at least) is largely a third-party software problem, where one rogue app pegs the CPU at 100% and chews up memory. And Suddenly Windows slows to a crawl. But such scenarios are not really the fault of Windows, as it has no way to anticipate or preempt such things.


What your describing is Microsoft SQL server 2005, give it a few queries and your memory is gone in few sec, and computer start swamping like crazy, next the CPU is at 100%.

Any program that does use MSSQL server will be like that, oh yes you can blame third-party software developers for making heavy SQL queries, but don't you think the OS should give some resources to the user to take proper action like closing the program or do some thing else.

When I use windows I always get the impression that user comes after program in priority when system is at 100% of the CPU, there is no CPU power left for the GUI and user input, this not the case whit AmigaOS4, even if you try to force AmigaOS to a halt, the user can do some thing, AmigaOS acts like Linux and Unix systems when comes to multitasking.

There has been lots of programs that where demanding like 3d rendering software for OS3.x, it has never been a issue.

Recently it has become more of a problem when USB input drivers and AHI audio drivers get too low priority, this was not the case when it was controlled in hardware DMA and interrupt based, this is because USB is protocol based system, so it gets scheduled like every thing else.

AmigaOS deals whit multitasking well, but it does not deal whit multiprocessing at all, it does possibly have the ability to do multiprocessing in the future, but right now multiprocessing gets killed by the way the OS was designed to deal whit thread safe processes in the past.

The change that needs to be done is not that big but the two concepts are not compatible, so at some point in time, the legacy has to be moved to some kind of emulator..

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 18:56:56
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@number6

I think everyone except you is experiencing the problem and it seems noone, except you (and the Classic users) is still using 4.0.

Yes, memory leaks happens anytime (cold boot, warm boot).

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 19:02:18
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@K-L

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I think everyone except you is experiencing the problem and it seems noone, except you (and the Classic users) is still using 4.0.


Heh. Naw. I've seen plenty of posts from folks with dual boot partitions.
They just aren't posting in this thread.
See Stephen_Robinson's last post above though.
He indicates no memory drop until he hits the 1st animgif, if I read him correctly.

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Re: From 3.8 to 3.9
Posted on 30-Mar-2009 19:22:18
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@number6
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Which is why I suggested killing "swap", since that is memory related.

No, I had swap disabled already.

Sometimes when I first go into thread with any kind of animgif that memory leak starts. Sometimes if I reload the page or I go to the previous page leaking might stop even if there's animgifs on that other page. Sometimes it doesn't stop.

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I can confirm that. And sometimes CPU usage is 100% without any visible reason.

That's related to the bug in OWB 3.9 only. OWB 3.7 uses only fraction of CPU. And you have misunderstood concept of responsiveness. Good responsiveness means that Intuition reacts users every click immediately no matter if CPU usage is 0% or 100%. It has nothing to do with raw CPU power. Of course f.ex. 2 GHz G4 can do a lot more computing than my 600 MHz G3.

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Posted on 30-Mar-2009 20:44:33
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I can log in to Yahoo again! So something's certainly fixed.

Upoading and downloading are totally welcome features!

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Posted on 30-Mar-2009 23:03:22
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These 2 anim gifs working together run me out of memory.

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Hmm. It may just be the new memory model, sure seems 'aggressive' though. Right now it's at 285MB of ram used. Will let it sit overnight, on the same page, and see what happens.


294MB of used RAM after sitting overnight. May still be memory model and not a bug, at least in my case. Will see after work if any significant change.


untouched since last night, now at 307MB used.

May not be a bug, just OS4 grabbing memory for caching?

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Yep, also confirming, was fine until that little guy (anim gif) showed on the screen, then mem usage too off like a rocket (like 50MB+ and growing)


ok. Running IBrowse, YAM, Wookie, OWB, etc. on OS4.0.
I'm on the 1st page with the (animgif) and see no change at ALL in memory in titlebar and nothing resembling a crash.
I understand titlebar memory is not accurate, but still...no movement whatsoever, compared to what you and Stephen_Robinson are reporting.

Oh. 1st post with OWB V3.9 btw.

Added: This post ended up on page 2 of course.
In returning to page 1 (with OWB V3.9), the animgif in question is now a still image.
In IBrowse (running simultaneously) the animgif in question is still "animated"

#6


I have *not* seen spikes (or longer) at 100% from OWB, nor has it crashed.

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