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HKvalhe 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 18-Oct-2009 18:25:25
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@DAX

ARM looks very interesting, and a true small powerful x86 hardware!

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Al4 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 18-Oct-2009 18:38:41
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@HKvalhe

Maybe Amiga Inc will support OS 4 with Amiga Anywhere 2, thus jumping on the Amiga OS bandwagon.

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DAX 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 18-Oct-2009 18:49:52
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@HKvalhe
I talked with very expert people on the matter, and simply put, you don't go porting OSs to other CPUs (while keeping support for the old ones) unless you either have the huge workforce of a NASDAQ company (think:"Apple") or thousands of programmers working for free (think "Linux").

Basically Hyperion does not have the workforce to do it in the blink of an Eye, maybe they will in the future but they participated in another thread about it (the one that surpassed 900 posts) and from that thread, it was reported on the current issue of Amiga Future (#80's editorial piece) that x86 is categorically excluded (in the short term) and most probably they will stick with PPC for the time being.

What is the most powerful ARM processor by the way?

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xispo 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 18-Oct-2009 18:53:01
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@Al4

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Maybe Amiga Inc will support OS 4 with Amiga Anywhere 2, thus jumping on the Amiga OS bandwagon.


Er... Amiga, Inc. won't do anything, it's a zombie company.
Just stop believing in ghosts, man.

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Al4 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 18-Oct-2009 19:13:55
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What about Acer? They own Amiga IP and are rich. Would they do anything with Amiga OS?

Last edited by Al4 on 18-Oct-2009 at 07:14 PM.

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Panthro 
Re: Amiga Inc?
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@Rogue

can I choose to believe an absurditie like we will get ArmA2 for OS4.1 then?????


hahahaha no seriously EPIC WIN for Hyperion = EPIC WIN for amiga users!!


great new ...kudo's for sticking at it Hyperion!

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Al4 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 13:21:06
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@DAX

What is the most powerful ARM processor by the way?

over 1 GHz.

It's the opposite of PPC in price and is going to be used soon quite a lot.






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DAX 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 13:32:00
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@Al4
Since porting to Arm would be probably as difficult as an x86 port, and considering that the low range x86 models are ultra cheap (and very powerful), why Arm and not x86?

I see that PPC has the advantage that a port is not needed (and there are several options to choose from including the Titans that are high-performance/low power consumption parts)

x86 has power to spare and it's dirt cheap.

Arm?

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Al4 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 13:34:33
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It's Microsoft territory. I don't know how much that is an issue, though.

What OS competition is there on ARM? Linux, win CE? It has a chance...

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eXec 
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Posted on 19-Oct-2009 14:19:24
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Trust me, we ARE working on our most ambitious project ever. But we will announce nothing until there is sufficient evidence to back up our announcement.


Hopefully AOS goes x86! That would be the most ambitious project ever...


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The_Editor 
Re: Amiga Inc?
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@DAX

Because Windows doesn't work on ARM processors, Linux does (Ubuntu Netbook Remix etc) but is rather bloated and ARM Netbooks have not yet been released in the wild and are set to blow x86 Netbooks out of the water.

A perfect opportunity to be ON THE BOAT for a change instead of waving on the shoreline as it sets sail.

And.... Acer make Netbooks !!

you never know !!

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DAX 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 14:26:13
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@Al4
Good point, but the same goes for PPC, as it was basically abandoned by other OSs, Amiga would probably be king of the hill (and no port is needed).

PPC is not dead by the way, aside from obvious console use (I won't even enter here as it doesn't concern us), there are 3 active developers building new designs as we speak (Titan is the first PPC original design for AMCC, IBM just completed Power8 and then there is PA Semi).


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rzookol 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 14:28:55
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@eXec

Os4 on x86 would be like AROS with Reaction :/ (but without aros bugs) - little hardware base, little software base. One good thing which gives x86 is speed. There is possibility to add ppc and 68k emus to AmigaOSes but system (and CPU) have to run in BigEndian mode (like Amithlon, which cause problems with gcc/binutils)

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Arko 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 14:49:34
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@ChrisH
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Sounds like AI is dead then.


I have heard Amiga Inc. have done a settlement with a former customer, owing them money for their AmigaOS IP. The first really big deal they have managed.

@HKvalhe
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For anything related to AmigaOS, they simply have to ask Hyperion Entertainment for full license,


They can stil sell licences for AOS3.1 and they can distribute Kickstart 3.1 and they can start to develop Amiga-Kickstart 4.0 or they can licence the name 'Amiga' for a computer with UAE installed ...

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DAX 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 15:17:28
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@Arko
If they don't go bankrupt and close shop first...at that point their assets will be liquidated by the IRS, Banks etc. to fulfill Creditors issues, and since in these cases they generally sell everything (including IPs it happened in the past a godzillion times) dirt cheap, Hyperion might be there for a piece of the pie...

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Seiya 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 15:55:08
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The most ambitious project could actually at least mean 3 things:

1. Full Java-support
2. OpenGL and everything supporting todays' 3D-technology
3. Support of other CPU-platforms than PPC

At least i think it's something like that...



the only serious project on OS4 has to a real port to x86 to increase amigans


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Mr_DBUG 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 16:02:10
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@Seiya

I say ignore x86 for now as a port and just co operate with the AROS guys instead ! So that AROS is as compatible it can get without having to make a full OS4 port from scratch..

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cha05e90 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 17:04:13
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@Al4

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What OS competition is there on ARM? Linux, win CE? It has a chance...


RIscOS?

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umisef 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 17:23:36
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@DAX

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there are 3 active developers building new designs as we speak ([...]and then there is PA Semi).


You mean the PA Semi who were bought out by Apple a year or two ago, and who somewhat reluctantly agreed to continue selling then existing products to a few very select customers (essentially the US military)? The PA Semi who are essentially Apple's chip division now, probably working on ARM SOCs?

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for new PPC designs from those guys...

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ne_one 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 17:24:57
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@Al4

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It's Microsoft territory. I don't know how much that is an issue, though.

What OS competition is there on ARM? Linux, win CE? It has a chance...


You're joking right?

People seriously need to stop deluding themselves with this 1986 mentality about competing with other operating systems.

Hyperion now has control. That in itself is the most significant development in this market in the last decade. How they maximize their investment depends entirely on resurfacing on the radar - becoming a blip again.

To survive as a business, that shift has to be quantitative. More developers, more users, more sales.

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