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tomazkid 
Re: X1000 configurazion (what i think it will be)
Posted on 24-Mar-2010 1:02:39
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Yes, I think it has to do with the film intrigue, something to do with she suspecting her kidnapped son is in the building, and hopes he can hear her.

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Posted on 24-Mar-2010 1:14:08
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Thanks for the image tweak.


@all

Look folks, I will be very surprised if this isn't a PA6T-family chip. There is nothing else out there that could possibly match the design and now the appearance. Prove me wrong. TrevorD is being quite silent these days.

Agnilux is looking more likely, per other thread: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=31070&forum=33

(I'm really aiming for the unannounced crack-the-CPU prize, eh? )

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Re: X1000 configurazion (what i think it will be)
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I am going with an underclocked 6502.

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Posted on 24-Mar-2010 2:16:51
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@Panthro

Why wouldn't you? If you haven't noticed large resolutions combined with multiple screens, with compositing turned on tends to use ALOT of gfx ram

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Posted on 24-Mar-2010 2:18:10
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@gregthecanuck

Yeah looks like it's a PA6T but I somehow doubt it because it was stated before that it was a chip which people would not be familiar with....anyway I may be wrong.

I just hope it's fast and has Altivec.

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Posted on 24-Mar-2010 6:53:44
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@HammerD

I think people are not too familiar with PA6T. IMO, it has not be there out on the wild etc...


@new picture

Xena is missing

The white-top SoC hints further towards PA6T. But still not 100% sure.


After further study... I'm ready to rice my bet that it's PA6T.
(but I already owe donation to Timberwolf because the partner is not XES.)

And I'm even more convinced that the SoC has two 64bit memory interfaces in use, so the memory bandwidth will be insane! It could be up to 8x higher bandwidth than on SAM440ep !! + the superb L2 bandwidth!!

DROOL update:

http://www.mc.com/uploadedfiles/PB50-Vector-2000.pdf
http://www.cwcembedded.com/documents/contentdocuments/PR-125-02-02-07.pdf
http://www.acoutronic.se/pdf/embedded_systems/Themis_DS_TPA-XMCDS.pdf
Other board makers: XES, Varisys, Transtec, etc...

PA6T presentation:
http://www.ll.mit.edu/HPEC/agendas/proc07/Day3/19_Bannon_Precis.pdf
http://www.systerra.de/documents/PA_Semi_PA6T_1682M_PB_694.pdf


Two 64-bit Power PA6T CPUs
• Power Architecture version 2.0.4 compliant
**** Not sure of if/when AOS4 supports full 32GigaByte memoryspace.

Superscalar CPU with Out-of-Order Issue
• Quad fetch, triple issue per cycle
• 64-instruction-deep schedule buffer
• In-order retirement to allow precise exceptions
• Strong store ordering to simplify programming
• Fast branch predictor and 16K-entry branch-history table
Fully Pipelined Execution Units
• Single load/store execution unit
• Dual integer execution units
**** around 8000Mips @ 2Ghz (IIRC, SAM440ep delivers 1333MIPS, MoanaMiniMAX 3400MIPS)
• Full floating-point unit
• Full VMX unit
**** Almost 20 GigaFlops!

64KB Instruction Cache, 64KB Data Cache, Accelerated MMU Operation
• 1024-entry 4-way hardware-managed TLB
• Hardware page table walker with prefetch
• Support for multiple page sizes (4KB–1GB)
**** 2x the size of previous L1, 2x clock speed,….

Bus Interface for Compute and I/O-intensive Tasks
• Up to 16 cache misses may be outstanding
• 6 merge buffers for uncached stores
• Option for up to 15 outstanding uncached loads
• 12-channel hardware prefetch engine

Virtualization Support
• Supports multiple, different operating systems simultaneously on each CPU
• Supports industry-standard hypervisors
**** interesting to see if this is used by AOS4, somehow (to sandbox old SW, to enable MP)

24 Lanes of SERDES Shared Among
• 8 PCI Express links - Can have one 16x lane link - Other links are 8x, 4x, 2x, or 1x
• 2 XAUI links (each requires 4 lanes)
• 4 SGMII links (each requires 1 lane)
• The 2 XAUI links can also be used as SGMII links (total of 6)
**** PCIe x16 graphics link transfers up to 8 GB/s (SAM440 flex has 264MB/sec slot and 133MB/sec slots)

2MB 8-way Associative Shared L2 Cache
• Flexible way allocation, locking
**** Several times bigger than on fastest AOS4 G4 machines
DMA Engine with Cryptography, RAID, and TCP Offload
• AES, DES, 3DES, ARC4, Kasumi
• SHA-1, SHA-256, MD-5, Generic CRC
• IPSEC and SSL
Two DDR2-1066 Memory Controllers (8 Ranks per Controller)
• Supports standard 1-, 2-, and 4-rank 64/72-bit DIMMs
• Up to 16GB per channel (using 2Gb-density DRAMs)
• 266–533MHz clock (533–1,066MHz data rate)
**** 32GB/sec (my SAM has 333Mhz x 4 bytest = 1,3GB/sec)
**** IIRC, A1 G4 had 133Mhzx8bytes = 1GB/sec (but ArtisiaS slows it down a lot)
**** MoanaMini G4 had 333Mhzx8bytes= 2,7GB/sec
System Support
• Interrupt controller, UARTs, SMBus
• Local bus supports LPC, SPI Flash, CompactFlash, IDE
• JTAG debug interface
Physical Parameters
• 35mm organic PBGA, 1156 balls on 1mm pitch
• 25W worst-case power dissipation at 2GHz
• Operating junction temp 0–100°C
• RoHS compliant; Pb free
• 65nm CMOS technology
**** perhaps it is about 20W @1,6Ghz, worst case ??? (hidden.jpg)

X1000 southbridge can do SATA RAID ! More power and security to the AmigaPeople!


UPDATE: It would be fun if someone could send a link or calculate max theorethical capabilities of those liquid cooled past 970MP chips and Apple motherboards

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Re: X1000 configurazion (what i think it will be)
Posted on 24-Mar-2010 7:05:14
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@A1200

Go for a Z80, it did have SIMD (Altivec).


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Posted on 24-Mar-2010 7:57:28
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@KimmoK

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And I'm even more convinced that the SoC has two 64bit memory interfaces in use, so the memory bandwidth will be insane! It could be up to 8x higher bandwidth than on SAM440ep

Each memory controller on the PA6T has a bandwidth of 16GB/s with 1067Mhz DDR2 memory. That's 32GB/s total. The 440ep is quoted as 1GB/s. That's a 32x theoretical maximum improvement.

The real performance killer on the 440ep is lack of any L2 cache. So yes - the memory performance on the PA6T is insane.

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TrevorDick 
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Posted on 24-Mar-2010 8:14:58
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@A1200

Quote:
Hopefully someone will secretly pull Open Office out of the bag - ok ok I'll stop dreaming!

Be careful what you wish for.

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KimmoK 
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@TrevorDick

So that's where the SAM went.

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@TrevorDick

Interesting. An AmigaX1000 launching with OS4.2, Timberwolf and OpenOffice available...

Well, it might be too much to ask - or hope - for but it is a nice thought!

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Posted on 24-Mar-2010 11:31:35
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@TrevorDick

Ohhhhh...... excited now! I will have to ply you with beer at the UK Event and get all the latest from you! If that doesn't work, move to Spanish inquisition tactics a la Monty Python - "Put him in the Comfy Chair"!!!!

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Posted on 24-Mar-2010 12:06:55
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@Thread

TBH IMHO I just want to buy one and finally have a miniature powerhouse.

Ive seen what my sam is capable of, and can only imagine how the Amiga OS would run with a wealth of power behind it from the hardware side of things.

Cheers

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KimmoK 
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Posted on 24-Mar-2010 12:14:56
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@Gebrochen

Just remember that human senses have their limits. You might not notice the difference if you SAM already does the thing 1/25 of a second.

(but x1000 might be able to do 10 of those things in parallel in 1/25 of a second)


@performance

With 8000MIPS integer performance a lot of x86 games can be run in SW emulation at good playable speed. (F1 GP2 finally running on Amiga, perhaps even GP3??? And Colin Mc Rae Rally .... etc...)

There might become the problem that no-one bothers to optimize Amiga SW for PPC440 any more....

btw. Has the IT world managed to run PS3 in SW emulation yet?

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@TrevorDick

Are you hinting something? :)

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@AmigaBlitter

It's a PASemi, btw. Since the first time i saw the Nemo board.

I Hyperion wants to surprise the Folks here, they should announce: It's Cell based!!!

It' can't be, cause they said that it's a dual core, unless they consider the primary PPC core as the first core, and the 8 SPE as the second core.

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@AmigaBlitter

Hi, what features do you see that make you so certain of PAsemi, and that exclude other possibilities?

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@ddni

Power consuming and frequency.

They said that the temperature was under 20° stressing the machine. This is the PASemi target operating temperature. The PAsemi processor also runs up to 2 ghz or more. They have tested the 1,6 ghz, tho.

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@ddni

Well...
I think that PA-Semi or other was the time to be presented to the public...
If the before summer timeline will be respected hat's the time to announce at least the board and add a preorder option(wth at least the price of the base system...)


@TrevorDick

Rather good news here :)
And...you are a guy that know how the things works... To have a competitive product you have to spend money in its launch... :)

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Just a simple question: Why it is called a SoC(system on chip) if it is only the processor?. I always thought that SoC´s were the like of the c64dtv, for example, when all the logic for the 6502, sid, etcc, were put in a chip. I just only want to know. Maybe it is called SoC because of the added logic that it has among the main cpu?
Thanks in advance!!!

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