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Arko 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 4-Apr-2010 12:41:07
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@Fransexy

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@Arko

TROLLTROLLTROLL


You are trolling agains ACube, don't you believe in their good service ? You seems to be the biggest naysayer

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Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 4-Apr-2010 13:14:55
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@Arko

Note that A Cube was informed about the AmigaOne X1000 project at the Colmar show in october of 2008 when the first ideas for this project started.

As a result, A Cube can now offer an interesting low-end entry solution for AmigaOS 4.x whilst A-EON can offer a high-end, more expensive option.

Because of the substantially different price-point, there is little competition between these two projects.

Hyperion Entertainment is very pleased that these two options will be availble to AmigaOS users.

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Troels 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 4-Apr-2010 14:18:19
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@Arko
Come on, people have been very diplomatic in their answers to you but you seem to be more of an embarrassment than an supporter to Acube.

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Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 4-Apr-2010 15:04:10
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@Leo

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No: when/if SMP ever gets added, you'll have to rewrite your applications to take advantage of it, and get any possible advantage because current APIs aren't surely ready for SMP...

So it will take a long while before you can take any advantage of SMP.


SMP is not a lot different from simple pre-emptive multitasking. If you have a multi-threaded app you can never assume any kind of syncronization between them other than using signal hand-shaking or semaphores - things that are of course first on the list to be fixed when an OS becomes SMP enabled.

Regarding running high-pri tasks simultanously as low-pri tasks on the other core is something the kernel can take care of when scheduling. Not difficult.

If you're talking about using both cores for processing of the same data in an app of course that app needs to be rewritten, but in the meantime you could simply start two apps at the same time, for example encode two mp3s at the same time by starting Lame twice. They will be scheduled on a core each.

For compiling, OS4 'make' already supports the -j flag (just tried it) so compiling will immediately be possible on all core available effectively cutting compile time in half.

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mlehto 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 4-Apr-2010 15:24:36
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@Leo

Are you sure ... it might be even, that even old apps get benefit of SMP.

I don't know, you don't know, so why you are so sure ... ??

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_Steve_ 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 4-Apr-2010 15:52:41
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@Arko

I don't understand the negativity towards the top end machine now being proposed.

The SAM and X1000 machines are not wholly dissimilar to having an A500, and an A3000 (or A1200/A4000 if you want a more direct comparison). One is clearly an entry level specification aimed at getting new hardware into the hands of the masses that want to play around with OS4, and the other is a top end machine aimed at those power users who may want to do a lot more.

The SAM and SAM flex boards are more akin to the wedge and big box flavours of the classic machines, in that the flex boards offer a little more expansion over the all in one solution of the original SAM 440ep.

However, the market is more than capable of supporting both models, and each has a lot of interest.

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persia 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 4-Apr-2010 18:18:29
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@_Steve_

We may be talking a couple thousand machines here, I'm not sure the market is that big...

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sundown 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 4-Apr-2010 20:21:21
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@Hyperionmp

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Hyperion Entertainment is very pleased that these two options will be availble to AmigaOS users.

Are you saying os4 is/will be ported to the new Sam?

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sundown 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
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@_Steve_

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I don't understand the negativity towards the top end machine now being proposed.

I get the feeling he's aganst any new h/w.

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paolone 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 4-Apr-2010 23:31:21
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@All, amost

Are you serious? 4 pages of topic about a comparison between two computer that have just been announced only? o__O

Please stop wasting time. Let's wait they're both on the shelves and this will be the time for benchmarks.

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QuikSanz 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 6-Apr-2010 18:07:16
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@Arko,

Very simple answer for you, a no brainer.

In the words of Paul Simon:

One man's ceiling is another man's floor.

OR, something else:

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.

Bye

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Hondo 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 6-Apr-2010 19:34:19
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man i'm getting more and more tired of coming here....too much bashing of AOS/hardware/hyperion/etc.

Sometimes I feel like i'm on a foreign forum who would love to see AmigaOS fail ..........WTF IS GOING ON??????

If this keeps going on then i'm out of here when X-1000 hits the street

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Arko 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 6-Apr-2010 20:30:56
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@Hondo

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man i'm getting more and more tired of coming here....

You act like a moaner and naysayer the Sam460 seems to be the best AOS4 hardware from Acube ever.It would be the faster than any new available Amiga hardware. Don't you know, Acube is the company that always stayed loyal to the Amiga, they need your loylty.

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Hondo 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 6-Apr-2010 21:34:07
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@Arko

For your information even though you don't deserve it, then i intend to buy both the 360 and the X-1000. Me leaving has nothing to do with Acube, but only the bare fact that fools like you takes the fun out of my hobby.

Keep badmouthing away, and some day you are alone here, but that'll probably satisfy your sick agenda.

Last edited by Hondo on 06-Apr-2010 at 09:38 PM.

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fairlanefastback 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 7-Apr-2010 0:31:54
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@Arko

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5. ACube didn't use to play stupid games with their customers


You seem to be baiting a bit here!

Quote:
10. Don't be a naysayer say yes to ACube


Buying an X1000 does not make you an Acube "naysayer". Again, sounds like baiting.

Quote:
11. Don't worry, there will be a perfect working SMP enabled AOS4.x port for Sam460ex, many experienced AOS4 users spotted the hints all over the ACube announcement.


You should let the proper people confirm that I think.

Tread carefully with the baits...

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Arko 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 7-Apr-2010 7:51:05
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@Hondo

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Hondo wrote:
@Arko

For your information even though you don't deserve it, then i intend to buy both the 360 and the X-1000. Me leaving has nothing to do with Acube, but only the bare fact that fools like you takes the fun out of my hobby.

.


The 360 ? Do you mean Hyperion will support the 360 ? That would be great news.

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Arko 
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Posted on 7-Apr-2010 7:55:17
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@fairlanefastback

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fairlanefastback wrote:
@Arko

Quote:
5. ACube didn't use to play stupid games with their customers


You seem to be baiting a bit here!


Yes I know but do you think ACK and Troika deservex anything better ?

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You should let the proper people confirm that I think.
Tread carefully with the baits...


But HyperionMP already confirmed it, doesnt' HyperionMP bel÷ong to the proper people ?

And the Sam460 was advertised with a checkmark logo like the C= Amiga hardware before.

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fairlanefastback 
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Posted on 7-Apr-2010 18:35:32
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@Arko

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Yes I know but do you think ACK and Troika deservex anything better ?


But you are addressing A-Eon. What stupid games did A-Eon play with their customers?

Quote:
And the Sam460 was advertised with a checkmark logo like the C= Amiga hardware before.


Its not the same logo, we all know that. Let Acube confirm what Acube wants to confirm. Bottom line, you don't speak for them.

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Mechanic 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 7-Apr-2010 21:47:21
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@TrevorDick

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If you want to buy a SAM440 (or 460 when it's available) do it. (snip)
However, If you want and can afford a pro-level Amiga system buy the A1-X1000.

Hey! Where do you get off spewing common sense around here. That'll be enough
of that kind of talk.

Arko, as a fellow member of THE LIST I just want to say how proud I am of you.
You have gone beyond trolling in others' threads and started your very own.

Yes,,This day will go down in history. A milestone. Truely, one for the record books.
Brings a tear to my eye.

P.S. Don't forget about the secret meeting under the bridge.

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vox 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 9-Apr-2010 23:25:12
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@Arko

Simply, one is mid range solution, other top of the range.

Both are at the moment unvailiable, as well as OS 4.1 for them.

Later.

I will simply answer, since I am not a rich boy, SAM is more affordable,
and its not perfect. PCI 3.3V slot and PCI-E 1x slot or SATA are very
frustrating limits.

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