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Re: Carl Sassenrath back on Amiga platform, again!
Posted on 12-Sep-2010 10:40:00
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I did suspect that was the case!

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Posted on 12-Sep-2010 17:25:49
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"Yes, Carl is working on his Sam and using AmigaOS 4.1 and using the SDK which I helped to create for this purpose."

Superb!

Very nice to see old BIG names being active on Amiga.
I hope they become involved even more in the future.
(IMHO, Hazydave would be nice amongs x1000 betatesters ...)

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Re: Carl Sassenrath back on Amiga platform, again!
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(IMHO, Hazydave would be nice amongs x1000 betatesters ...)


You have GOT to be kidding.

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Posted on 12-Sep-2010 18:07:08
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@thread

I suggest we keep this thread on-topic, or rather I'm telling you to keep on-topic. This thread is about Carl Sassenrath and REBOL on AmigaOS4.

Yes people, it's posted in the AmigaOS4 section...

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Beat me to it.

@thread

Again, keep this on topic please, this is not about getting REBOL on any other system - if that is what you want, start a new thread on that instead.

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@clusteruk

How nice of you :)

LoL I got troll abused warning for my suggestion?! :)

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@number6

Why not?

- he surely would be capable
- he might enjoy playing with yet another HW
- he still uses Amiga&emulators sometimes
etc...

Surely the board should be donated as a full system, I doubt he would be interested in paying ¤1000 for it.

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@Thread

3 points to think about :

Are there any known applications, applets, servlets, scripts, written in Rebol?

Are there any experienced Rebol coders here?

Rebol is ported to AOS3.x and this version runs on MOS and AOS4, why there are just three hits if I search for it on Aminet ?


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Are there any known applications, applets, servlets, scripts, written in Rebol?


There are a few, such as the Cheyenne webserver, but I find that REBOL's strengths come from what you can build from scratch for yourself in a few hours.

This gives the bizarre experience, that it often is quicker to write a custom script for your task than adjusting something that you have downloaded. Of course this depends on how experienced you are with the language.

By comparing it directly to languages like Python, PHP or Ruby, it appears weak, because it was not designed with the same purpose as those languages were. Those were designed to fit in a narrow slot of a web architecture, consisting of a dozen languages.

REBOL is designed to replace them all to reduce the complexity and code size.

it can cover development, testing, debugging, documentation, distribution, CRM, invoicing, accounting and web marketing, wholly in a custom designed system.

You can do this, based on the generic nature of the design of the language is and also that nearly all tools required for these tasks are built in, such as graphics, GUI system and networking in a single 650 kb executable.

My website is here:

http://97.107.135.89/www.hmkdesign.dk/index.rsp?page=about

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Are there any experienced Rebol coders here?


I have around 9 years of experience with REBOL.

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Rebol is ported to AOS3.x and this version runs on MOS and AOS4, why there are just three hits if I search for it on Aminet ?


REBOL is distributed by REBOL Technologies and should be downloaded from rebol.com. Also the Amiga version is very old, compared to the current REBOL 2 version 2.7.7. This is hopefully about to change with REBOL 3.

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KimmoK wrote:
@number6

Why not?

- he surely would be capable
- he might enjoy playing with yet another HW
- he still uses Amiga&emulators sometimes
etc...

Surely the board should be donated as a full system, I doubt he would be interested in paying ¤1000 for it.


Since this is OT I'll be brief. Yes, Dave would be more than capable, but currently he has more than enough HW to play with and PPC is not on his interest list. Yes, he occasionly uses Amiga through emulation, but he's just too busy with his job and real life to spend much time using a system he has very little interest in. Now obviously you don't have access to Dave's private opinions otherwise you'd realize that the X1000 would be last on the list of HW that he's interested in even if it was free.

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This is hopefully about to change with REBOL 3.

Once REBOL/Core is working I am planning to contribute to building other parts. The beauty of REBOL 3 is that outside developers can expand on REBOL. Previous incarnations were much more limited as you know.

This was something I remember Carl being very excited about (3rd party developers) when he was discussing R3 at AmiWest a while back and is the main reason I have been trying to help make it happen for Amiga OS.

It's also kinda cool to have the creator come back to his platform even if it is "just" for a while with /Core.

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Rebol was supposed to be an extensible language for dialecting - they specifically mentioned you can add to the langauge itself.

But it's always been English only - which was a lost opportunity. Just as there is an inordinate amount of interest in Rebol in the Amiga community, because of Carl's Amiga roots - just the curiosity of a "programming" language that didn't require english, would have moved it into academic circles.

Oh don't get me wrong, all those programmers that learned English, now enjoy, and advocate the continuance of any and all barriers that they overcame - that's human nature, they don't want the next guy to have it easier.

But - academics would have adopted it for students, students, having learned that language, would have continued to use it. Rebol would have been larger in influence, than it is today.

Opportunity lost, for all his talks about extensibility and dialecting - and all the pseudo language philosophy he espoused - I always thought he missed the big picture. Ashame.

Maybe it could be argued in retrospect that Rebol isn't popular for dialecting anyway - only for its ease of use and wide platform support. Still, I see that Rebol 3.0 -in alpha stages, has some support for unicode. So adding that, sooner, wouldn't have been wrong. Not that anyone is using the alpha for dialecting ina foreign language, indeed I can't confirm it even does that from the few searches i've attempted.

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@DAX

Yes, he's a Genius, kinda.
Btw, he's not the only that can return to the Amiga Platform.

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Who will donate MOS + AROS systems?

Giving these to him would be the same as offering him a Windows machine.

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Re: Carl Sassenrath back on Amiga platform, again!
Posted on 13-Sep-2010 18:29:39
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@RobertDupuy

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But it's always been English only - which was a lost opportunity.


That's incorrect. REBOL's dialecting is composition of words and values in any human language of your design and in R3, unicode is supported for words, so you can write your dialects in Chinese, if you will. You can then attach meaning to the words with a parser of your own design.

But what may be missing is a whole human language parser, one that literally parses ordinary human written sentence structures, like forum posts. I doubt though that this is a small undertaking, but it should be possible to do.

If anything, it certainly has not been because of dialects, that REBOL has maintained obscurity, and heavy users like me use dialects all the time to solve various problems and often with multi-layered dialects.

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Quote:

elwood wrote:


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Who will donate MOS + AROS systems?

Giving these to him would be the same as offering him a Windows machine.


Wow, we know Windows is well supported by REBOL, so you think he will prefer MOS + AROS over AOS4 and buy the systems himself.


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Posted on 13-Sep-2010 19:58:07
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But it's always been English only - which was a lost opportunity...

It is interesting that Carl mentioned one of his largest markets is in France and they just held a big conference there.

Heck, there is even a REBOL programming book in French: http://www.rebol.com/books.html

Have you used REBOL in a foreign language and found it difficult?

I admit I've only done English myself so I have no idea.

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