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Re: What Amiga browsers support shockwave and/or flash?
Posted on 26-Mar-2011 19:32:36
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I thought that I should mention that a good way to get rid of the JPEGTMP: requester is to simply change the memory limit for the jpeg decoder to "No limit". I have a hard time seeing that you will run out of RAM because of that and you won't risk that IBrowse starts to swap data to disk which is slow.


Agree, that's why I posted my entry in Post #24:

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Memory limit for JPEG decoder:No limit


Moxee had his set at 1024k, mentioned in Post #23.


My fresh install still has 1,024k and is loading the debt clock page without requesters nor GRs now.

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Disk cache is off between. Since it's known to cause crashes sometimes it could be a good idea to delete the cache (everything manually inside the directory) completely and start over. I haven't used the disk cache in ages but IIRC that's what I did to solve it, start over so to speak.


Agreed. That's what we were narrowing this down to. He was almost rock solid, then turned on the cache again, and "boom". Heh.


No, I tried 2M in the original install because the fresh install we are working on still had 2M and loaded without any GRs.

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Re: What Amiga browsers support shockwave and/or flash?
Posted on 26-Mar-2011 19:38:27
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@Moxee

Please see my edit on prior page.
I read your post too quickly (focussing on the fact you were getting no GRs and no requestors anymore, which is what we want to see).

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Re: What Amiga browsers support shockwave and/or flash?
Posted on 26-Mar-2011 19:38:39
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Now the debt clock page loads fast with out any requesters nor GRs!


Perfect!

Now it's ok to leave that cache disabled, as mine is.


I still have 2M and it is working.

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Sundown might have some things you can try to create a reliable on disk cache,
if that's what you really want.


To make my original install work with the settings in the fresh install, I suppose I need to clear out the cache.

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@Moxee

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To make my original install work with the settings in the fresh install, I suppose I need to clear out the cache.


I'll let sundown answer that.
I can only speak to my own system being solid with cache disabled, which @hotrod also has vouched for.

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Re: What Amiga browsers support shockwave and/or flash?
Posted on 26-Mar-2011 19:46:12
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If you intend to leave the on disk cache active he'll want to have you alter the above.


I wasn't sure it would work either way, but I just turned it off and it loads fine as you say.

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To make my original install work with the settings in the fresh install, I suppose I need to clear out the cache.


I'll let sundown answer that.
I can only speak to my own system being solid with cache disabled, which @hotrod also has vouched for.


I am not so sure I want it writing to disk. Perhaps I should just leave it off like you do.

Thanks a bunch for your help.

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Re: What Amiga browsers support shockwave and/or flash?
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I am not so sure I want it writing to disk. Perhaps I should just leave it off like you do.

Thanks a bunch for your help.


Happy to help.
And that's why I didn't want to discuss all the prefs settings too much, because some are really set to individual users' needs.
DSL makes having a disk cache somewhat unimportant, unless you really intend to use the Ibrowse/Cache/Cache Explorer. Most people do not.
With serial dialup, the HD recall of cache is faster than a reload of web elements, so it might be of more use.

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Re: What Amiga browsers support shockwave and/or flash?
Posted on 26-Mar-2011 19:57:22
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@number6

While fixing my original install, should I leave your suggested settings:
- Images 16,096k
- Pages 16,096k

instead of the fresh install settings of:
- Images 512k
- Pages 1,024k

The fresh install is working fine, but I suppose more is better, eh?

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@Moxee

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While fixing my original install, should I leave your suggested settings:
-Images 16,096k
-Pages 16,096k


Some people suggest "images" be about 2-3 times the amount allocated for "pages", since images take more space on average.
It's a matter for experimentation perhaps.
You could cut pages in 1/2 and add that 8meg to images I suppose.

Maybe someone else will have a recommendation or two.

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@Moxee

Glad you got it working. You should start your original IB install & try menu Cache/Disk cache/Flush & see if the GRs are gone. Would save you from setting up things all over again if it works.

Me & 6 use a ram cache, its just as fast & prevents a corrupt cache as it's started from scratch with every boot/re-boot. I use a 10MB ram cache.

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Posted on 27-Mar-2011 0:13:32
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@number6

Hey! I got it working using all of the original unpacked settings. I spent most of the afternoon moving each file from the old install over to the new install just to see what would break it. One file did. It was a file named npflashplayer.library located in the directory Plugins. With this file removed the old install loaded the debt clock page without any problems.

Another odd thing that always happened with the old install is that upon opening IBrowse an AmigaDOS window would open in the upper left corner of the WB screen reading this:
. ed , b=function(d , n) {var o;
That doesn't happen with the new install.

I am going to use the new install from now on and slowly test each one of your suggestions until I know it all works for me. So far I've only turned off the Disk Cache and made JPEG and PNG External. All the other setting are still as originally unpacked.

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@Moxee

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I spent most of the afternoon moving each file from the old install over to the new install just to see what would break it. One file did. It was a file named npflashplayer.library located in the directory Plugins. With this file removed the old install loaded the debt clock page without any problems.


This is where I say "eeeeek!", since I explained that in post #11.

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As mentioned in the docs, you must delete the old flashplugin (PPC version) and replace it with the new one. The file has a different name, but that matters not. Delete the old one.


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Posted on 27-Mar-2011 0:22:01
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Glad you got it working. You should start your original IB install & try menu Cache/Disk cache/Flush & see if the GRs are gone.


I did that already and still got GRs.

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Would save you from setting up things all over again if it works.


I wish it would have. I've already copied and tested, one by one, every file over to the new install except for prefs.

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Me & 6 use a ram cache, its just as fast & prevents a corrupt cache as it's started from scratch with every boot/re-boot. I use a 10MB ram cache.


I am going to set that up next.

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Posted on 27-Mar-2011 0:24:07
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I spent most of the afternoon moving each file from the old install over to the new install just to see what would break it. One file did. It was a file named npflashplayer.library located in the directory Plugins. With this file removed the old install loaded the debt clock page without any problems.


This is where I say "eeeeek!", since I explained that in post #11.

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As mentioned in the docs, you must delete the old flashplugin (PPC version) and replace it with the new one. The file has a different name, but that matters not. Delete the old one.



I did delete it. I don't know where this other one came from. Could I have had two of them in there. Lord knows....

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Posted on 27-Mar-2011 0:31:38
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@Moxee

Let me be clearer on the plugin.
The old one is named "npflash.library". It is PPC native. It needs to be ----deleted.
The new one is named "npflashplayer.library". That one is 68k and is the one that worked fine for you with the test page links.

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Posted on 27-Mar-2011 0:41:41
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@number6

npflashplayer.library causes the GRs on both my old and new install. With it removed both the old and new install load the debt clock ok.

I don't have either of the libraries installed and the debt clock loads ok. I did not try any of the flash links though.

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@Moxee

I think I see why we had confusion.
Sundown told you to do a fresh install, which you did.
But you did not reinstall the npflashplayer.library.
Ergo, you had no crash (clock page), because there was nothing on your system to interact with the flash (clock page).
Now, I see you are saying that once you do put npflashplayer.library back on your system, you are once again having trouble (clock page).

You had been using npflashplayer.library on the test page before and you said things were going great. I'll assume that is still the case if you repeat a few clicks over there.

But now we're back to square 1 as far as your system crashing (clock page).

At this point I'll ask if you are having issues with any other programs?
That might give me a hint.

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Posted on 27-Mar-2011 1:17:57
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@number6

I've been at this all day and I am so tired right now that my eyeballs ache. I need to take a break. I'll come back to this tomorrow.

Stay tuned....

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@Moxee

With the help of a good friend, I think we've tracked this down. He had the same issue.

Download the archive again.

Please open a shell,change directory to where the plugin is and type "version full npflashplayer.library" (no quotes)

Please do the same for the copy of the plugin you currently have.

Compare.

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@Moxee

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Another odd thing that always happened with the old install is that upon opening IBrowse an AmigaDOS window would open in the upper left corner of the WB screen reading this: . ed , b=function(d , n) {var o; That doesn't happen with the new install.


Do you have the option to output javascript errors to CON: enabled? Sounds like it so just turn it off.

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Another odd thing that always happened with the old install is that upon opening IBrowse an AmigaDOS window would open in the upper left corner of the WB screen reading this: . ed , b=function(d , n) {var o; That doesn't happen with the new install.


Do you have the option to output javascript errors to CON: enabled? Sounds like it so just turn it off.


Yes, both the old and new install had CON: inputted as downloaded. Strange though, only the old install brought forth that AmigaDOS window. Why wouldn't the new install do that?

I am downloading a fresh install again as per #6.

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