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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 29-Nov-2017 21:29:57
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@A1200

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Who cares about any of this really?


Perhaps Brian Bagnall? or someone else who might attempt a book on Amiga History beginning with the Amiga Inc. years?
iirc, people actually bought these books and I imagine that facts were important in creating the texts. Heh.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 30-Nov-2017 0:04:39
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Ignorance and mainly ignorance of history is why people is repeating always same errors.
Give us no more pink elephants but people with elephant memory or perhaps just collective elephant memory just as like Wikipedia, that people can access to enhance their culture the day we will be nothing than dust, and we could not bring our testimony as Amiga users and as direct witnesses that things "gone different from what media attempt to credit".

Stop entire world continue believing Internet was created by Bill Gates and mouse was created by Steve Jobs by correcting false statements and help diffuse culture with any method...
Even preserving memory of Amiga helps...

"Stay foolish stay hungry" if you have enough memory (in our situation we talk of memory of history of computers), enough culture and enough critical sense, it became just a catch to push people buying Apple products being enough stupid to renounce even to food to pay its insane prices.

If we have a minimum of responsibility and care we must preserve history of Amiga telling the world things gone different from actual history of computers fashion books attempt people credit, and that computers could be more easy to use than current ongoing media attempt us to believe.
Amiga is the living testimony that there is no necessity of hidden services running to make operating system work, and an operating system can be made of a just two or three hundred files as in AmigaOS you average Joe User can keep memory of, access by yourself, and check by yourself if any is missing or corrupt, and that there is not necessity of thousands crypted files like in Windows, Mac OS and Linux.

As opposite to common sense of the masses nowadays, you must repeat always that "ignorance is not strength, it is just void"...
Orwell knew, that's why he warned us.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 30-Nov-2017 7:58:31
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But its Wikipedia - any buffoon can write anything and link it to a blog post as citation. Factoids.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 30-Nov-2017 8:26:34
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@A1200

Interesting enough, Wikipedia approach actualy works - vandalism is spotted out and corrected, facts checked and there is strict hierarchy of sources: blog posts are close to bottom... I wouldn´t use Wikipedia for my scholarly work, but it is really good as general purpose encyclopedia.

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Posted on 30-Nov-2017 10:21:05
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Any journalist/writer relying on wikipedia as a source isn't worth half a cent.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 30-Nov-2017 14:22:06
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@A1200

You may apply request on Wikipedia to protect more vandalized pages.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 30-Nov-2017 14:29:08
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For retrieve infos such as fixed facts, like birthdays, geographic info and locations of battles, etc., Wikipedia is good enough...

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 27-Feb-2018 18:06:34
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Slow day, so just checking some wikis:

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As it is, the article mentions a Belgian based A-EON, that designed and distributed the X1000 - that's just misinformation


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne_X1000

Quote:
AmigaOne X1000 computer system by A-EON Technology Ltd


I'm not saying that bit addresses all of the generic and inconsistent use of "A-Eon Technology" without the "Ltd." or "C.V.B.A." in other places, but at least it establishes the U.K. branch as responsible for the X1000 and obviously all models that followed.

And it ties with:
http://www.a-eon.com/?page=about

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A-EON Technology Ltd

and
Quote:
The present: our first product, the AmigaONE X1000


Again, cementing the "Ltd." version of A-Eon Technology to the X1000 and all that followed.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 25-Mar-2018 15:33:53
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Do you intend to update the Hyperion wikipedia to show the deletion from the Belgian company registry?

I ask because I see from history and changes in the wiki that the insolvency declaration was added, and changes in that status made over time as more information became known.

Are you seeing this as somehow different or non-newsworthy?

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
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It is not on my to do list, but feel free to add this yourself. From my point of view, this is not that much important. However, if some legal proceedings arise from this, it would certainly merit a mention.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
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I often wondered who was responsible for updating these

It could do with updating about the X5000 you know



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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 25-Mar-2018 16:28:12
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Simply click "view history" on any wiki and you'll see quite a lot. heh.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 3-Apr-2018 16:31:57
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@pavlor well the Amiga Wikpedia is nothing like I remember the late 90's. I was there when Jeff Schindler of Gateway and Bill were at the Amicon Show in Columbus Ohio. (98 0r 99)
Amicon had 3 shows and they had a great turnout and we heard a ton of bullshit from the people who were suppose to be the movers and shakers in Amiga land.



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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
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These times are mere a footnote in the history of Amiga anyway, but feel free to add anything you like - if you have "reliable source" to back-up your claim.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
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if some legal proceedings arise from this, it would certainly merit a mention.


Well, since Cloanto's amended complaint makes specific mention of this:

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Upon information and belief, Defendant is not currently in good standing in its country of incorporation, and while it may defend actions against it, it may not bring actions.


Does that qualify by your definition of "some legal proceeding"?

Source amended complaint from Cloanto

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 31-May-2018 15:26:08
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Feel free to add that information yourself. In my point of view, legal argument of one party in some court case is not that important. However, if someone sued Hyperion in Belgium because of breach of company law, that would be a story (same if Hyperion loses this court case because of this).


Edit: Not Amiga or this thread related, but I write an article about ultra-obscure Olivetti M20 computer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pavlor/Olivetti_M20 If any English speaker could read and correct it, that would be very helpful.

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@pavlor

Please excuse my ignorance. I certainly did not read the wiki throughout the period of time of the Amiga Inc. vs Hyperion V.O.F. lawsuit, so I don't know this...

Was this suit written about/mentioned in the wiki prior to settlement?

If so, then I would have to raise the question why there is no mention of the current suits?

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As I wrote, you can add that yourself (I don´t "own" that page ). I didn´t edit this page back then and now I have my own notability bar for content (and this is still well bellow it).

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If so, then I would have to raise the question why there is no mention of the current suits?


Probably because nobody cares.

To be more serious. All informations (and especially informations that could be disputed) should be referenced by "reliable sources". The best source we can use for this information right now is amiga-news.de, which is quite weak.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
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Fair enough.
You've offered me the opportunity to edit before.

Given the respect I have for you for all the effort you have put in over the years, I felt more comfortable merely asking you questions about the consistency of how history is reported.
Anything you choose to leave as is, presents no issue for me whatsoever.

I don't need to tell you "somebody cares". Let's not put those fighting for their perceived rights of "ownership" in the same category as the users and developers who've had to suffer for 2 decades.

And I hope your reference to supplying reliable sources didn't apply to me here. The links to the lawsuits and to the removal of Hyperion from the Belgian registry are as reliable as you can get.

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The best source we can use for this information right now is amiga-news.de, which is quite weak.


I'll let cgutjahr or senex respond to "weak". heh.

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The links to the lawsuits and to the removal of Hyperion from the Belgian registry are as reliable as you can get.


Not in Wikipedia sense of reliable source.

Quote:
somebody cares


My point was Amiga users don´t edit Amiga related Wikipedia articles as often as even few years ago. Sure, there was brief and intense Blue/Red edit war over Hyperion article during the "bancruptcy", but not much more than that. One of the problems are, I think, higher standards of current Wikipedia. Sure anynone can edit, but if you don´t provide a reference, some bot will probably revert your edit as vandalism. Sure, nearly anyone can create new article, but it will be deleted in few hours, because it lacks good enough sourcing. Editing Wikipedia (other than minor maintenance work) requires high amount of time (several hours for an acceptable new article). Although I like this "quality over quantity" approach, it may be discouraging for others.

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I felt more comfortable merely asking you questions about the consistency of how history is reported.


People like recent events, to be up-to-date. Me not. I´m an historian by education and profession. I will rather wait few months to get the story in some perspective than write about "latest and greatest", which changes day to day.

Good example is lawsuit between Hyperion and Amiga. It was documented the way you like (every "important" statement), but in the end most of this content was removed as unsuitable for an encyclopedia. There is now even an article about the dispute, which would not survive an AfD, if any less-inclusionist editor passes over it.

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