@Hammer

I hope they don't think the VIC line of all in one keyboard computers will sell to business, the space saving may seem like a good idea but anybody who ever worked in IT knows that keyboards don't last in a business environment and are replaced often. some short sighted IT guy may like the gimmick and buy once but the first time he's called after somebody spilled coffee on their keyboard he will rethink the idea and never buy another. those things would have huge downtime in the event of any hardware failure due to and cost a whole lot more than A dell with more power, good warranty with 24hr turn around and parts that can be replaced in 5 minutes by even the most useless technician. The only way it would be viable for business would be if they offered buy two get one free with a warranty that covered accidental damage and replaced the whole system so that the inevitable coffee spill wouldn't be so costly to the business buyer and downtime would be minimised with an easy swap of the whole unit.

Coffee is the VIC's worst enemy

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@TheMaskedMuchacho

Not to mention the RSI aspect of spending hours every day typing on a higher-than-normal keyboard.

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@Daedalus

Yep, any organisation that has an ergonomics policy will can it. More often than not space saving is achieved by mounting the CPU box behind the monitor. This allows individual parts to be replaced and maintains space.

The office argument for keyboard computer only works if you don't consider the more practical alternatives.....

@BillE

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Oh, no serious software then, just a thing for kids

Depends on which OSs are pre-installed. Boot whatever the end user wants to use.

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@Spirantho

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So do you have rights of distribution for the games then? Or are they all PD games? Just to warn you if there's a single game by Activision, Codemasters or Ultimate on there you could get a lot of trouble from some very expensive lawyers... Do you have a list of games which come with the system?

No I do not have a list of games, it has not been published yet. Lawyers are indeed involved on many things on may levels. This has all gone far beyond what Barry had started about 18 months ago, I can't even recognize what it use to be like compared to where it's at now and will be heading towards in the short to medium term.

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@CritAnime

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How much are those Amigas gonna cost. Because you can't be serious about them starting at the 2k mark.

I'm hoping there will be barebones model option like C=USA did with the C64x. I will say one thing, compared to what A-EON is offering for multi core option, C=USA's Commodore Amiga will be a winner, hands down even with the $2K AIO models. Rest of the new Commodore Amiga desktops will be in the $5K and higher range.

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@number6

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20k is coincidentally the price of the Newtek TriCaster 450 EXTREME

Yup, people have to understand what pricing levels are like for studio work and there is a sweet spot in there.

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@tommywright

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don't even know what to say about that price announcement. I work for places that buy machines like he's aiming to sell and they do not buy from little manufacturers. They have giant corporate (probably exclusive) deals with the likes of HP. Sadly, I think CUSA will be done soon... and I sooooo wanted a retro Amiga 500 case.

I think Barry would probably agree with you that most places that buy machines like he is planning would have issues buying from a small company.

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@TheMaskedMuchacho

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the first time he's called after somebody spilled coffee on their keyboard he will rethink the idea and never buy another. those things would have huge downtime in the event of any hardware failure due to and cost a whole lot more than A dell with more power, good warranty with 24hr turn around and parts that can be replaced in 5 minutes by even the most useless technician.

Keyboard has seals on it, so accidental exposure to liquid (if it's soda, then it needs to be wiped off with a damp rag to remove the acid) shouldn't bother it. The keyboard its self is replaceable.

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@Daedalus

Vic slim is pretty flat.

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@damocles

Indeed it is, but not as flat as any of my keyboards. And nowhere near as flat as it would need to be to pass H&S risk assessment in my company, and I doubt we'd be alone in that. It's a moot point anyway because no company would ever adopt such a device for use in an office, for the many reasons already given.

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@damocles

Well, a dual core i7 models could be much affordable, but assume that for that price level, 4 and 6 cores should be expected. Good luck, but verry risky bussines, competing in the high end of PC offer.

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I will say one thing, compared to what A-EON is offering for multi core option, C=USA's Commodore Amiga will be a winner, hands down even with the $2K AIO models

Oh, does that means CUSA will offer multi core PowerPC platform for 2000 USD?

Comparing apples and bananas isn`t fair. Fair judgement will comparison of CUSA Amiga`s offer with e.g. similar specs Dell machines with Windows. Or what kind of AMD based computer you could get for same amount of money.

Wired review of C64x

"If you think that’s expensive, you’re dead right. Add on the price of an expensive dinner for two and you could buy a MacBook Air. t’s a cute gimmick, to be sure, and one that would surely sell well if it didn’t cost so much. As it is, there must be a very limited set of customers willing to drop big money on a novelty Ubuntu box.

And anyway, the real nerds will be waiting for Commodore’s next big project: The resurrection of the majestic Amiga, albeit in the shape of a DVD player. These machines will use PC hardware but run “Commodore OS,” a mysterious operating system that will either be awesome or awful. I can’t wait."

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@damocles

I'm trying my best to not pass judgment but when you're talking about $20k computers, I'm not sure what market you are speaking of. Fifteen or twenty years ago, a $20k computer for 3d graphics would not be unusual. Today, that would be insane.

I guess CUSA's competition would be someone like BOXX. They still sell super high-end 3d graphics computers. The problem is, they have established themselves in that market over many many years. The idea of a brand new computer company (even with the Commodore name) with zero experience in the computer industry walking in and taking even a tiny piece of BOXX's market share is laughable.

I'm sorry to be so harsh but this is the reality of it. CUSA still has a chance of survival with the names they purchased and the idea of making nostalgic looking hardware. These grandiose ideas of $20k computers are unreasonable coming from a computer company so inexperienced. If they start spending that kind of money to build their hardware, they will run out of capital very very quickly.

@damocles

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I'm hoping there will be barebones model option like C=USA did with the C64x.

Also known as an empty plastic box.

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I will say one thing, compared to what A-EON is offering for multi core option, C=USA's Commodore Amiga will be a winner, hands down even with the $2K AIO models.

Why do you keep on referring back to AOS4.x based machines?
If I go to buy a car from a Ford dealer, he makes no mention that VW-Audi even exists. Likewise if I go to the Sony centre to buy an ebook reader they do not mention the word "kindle".
A-EON have absolutely no relevance to your target market. CommodeUSA sell x86 based machines, and therefore, like it or not, you are playing in Acer and Dells back yard, and believe me Barry does not want to get into a fight with Apple.
Barry has already made his opinion of us absolutely clear, so why don't you just leave us in our quiet little backwater and hawk your wares somewhere else?

P.S If you really intend setting prices at these levels can I recommend that you make sure that all internal connections are secure.

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@damocles

The keyboard may be replaceable, I never doubted that. but how many IT departments will want the downtime involved with taking the think apart just to replace a keyboard all their other options don't even need to be shut down to replace a keyboard, there is also the problem of stock, you can replace any other keyboard with any USB keyboard you have (IT departments usually have quite a few hanging around), no need to keep a stock of custom parts that probably cost more.

I have also had to replace quite a few laptops with sealed keyboards (even with latex covers over them) due to having coffee/soda spilled on them, a computer needs vents for cooling and you can't seal those. the point is that the liquid won't just be spilling on the keyboard but the entire computer, the risk is higher and the downtime greater, factor in the extra cost over a small form factor Dell that takes up no more room and no IT buyer with any sense will even consider such a system.

If all in one keyboard computers had been a good idea there would be a lot more of them around, they made sense for early home computers for reasons that are no longer relevant.

I can only see the future of CommodoreUSA as a niche brand of home computers, I can't see how anybody looking to buy high end equipment would even consider buying from them once they do a little research into the company but I shall wait and see.

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@tommywright

What is still amazing is that even at CUSA "Amiga" page there is line of copyright for All in One keyboard Amiga computers "Amiga® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and is the trademark of Amiga Inc., registered in the United States and other countries." while computer is a dekstop, and now we know high end one.

One has to ask either Amiga Inc gives almost unrestricted licences or doesn`t protect its own deals

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(...) and is the trademark of Amiga Inc., registered in the United States and other countries." while computer is a dekstop, and now we know high end one. One has to ask either Amiga Inc gives almost unrestricted licences or doesn`t protect its own deals

what's the most interesting is the fact that Amiga Inc. acts like it doesn't want to have anything to do with C=USA - there's no mention of C=USA on Amiga Inc. www.

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@nimrod7

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what's the most interesting is the fact that Amiga Inc. acts like it doesn't want to have anything to do with C=USA - there's no mention of C=USA on Amiga Inc. www.

Well, none of their partners mentions them back as partner (please correct me if wrong).

Takes time to establish reputable bussiness, and somehow they have the wrong feeling from day one ...

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by tommywright on 22-Sep-2011 5:30:06 I don't even know what to say about that price announcement. I work for places that buy machines like he's aiming to sell and they do not buy from little manufacturers. They have giant corporate (probably exclusive) deals with the likes of HP. Sadly, I think CUSA will be done soon... and I sooooo wanted a retro Amiga 500 case.

Price announcement seems unrealistic for small manufacturers like him against giants' deals; sadly, he might struggle to sell his product. Retro cases are appealing but competitive market is tough.