Anyone ran any 68k tests yet?

Anyone tried maconlinux on it yet?

Win95 in dosbox/PCtask emulation?

Max clockcycles in dosbox with 99% CPU load?

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Win95 in dosbox/PCtask emulation?

As I was told, X1000 can reach over 20000 CPU cycles in DosBox (rougly 486DX/2 66 MHz performance) - enough for Windows 95. However, simple and normal CPU cores in DosBox aren´t compatible enough for most Windows aplications.

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Max clockcycles in dosbox with 99% CPU load?

See above.

@pavlor

"(rougly 486DX/2 66 MHz performance)"

IIRC, my first x86 at work was P1 at 66Mhz with win 3.11 in 1996.
And my home x86 was P1 at 75Mhz with win95.
So, to me it seems that in non-JIT emulation we are aproaching similar performance range.

Any developer looking at building/porting a 586 JIT emulation?

And it seems win95 should run on dosbox:
http://www.acube-systems.biz/common/image/screenshots/Win95onSam460.png

Anyone got WinXP running in any AOS4 x86 emu?
Or x86 linux + wine for win32 apps?
XP emulation could/would deliver possibility to use latest tomtom navigator updater etc. windows-only tools and would perhaps eliminate the x86 need for a few more people.

btw., IIRC, PPC macs were able to run windows applications, did the windows emulation of MacOSX (PPC version) have JIT? Does it run on MacOnLinux for PPC?

/me reading ... http://www.macwindows.com/pcemul.html

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So, to me it seems that in non-JIT emulation we are aproaching similar performance range.

Your Pentium was 2 times faster (in sense Y=2*X) than 486DX/2 66 MHz in integer operations.

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Any developer looking at building/porting a 586 JIT emulation?

QEMU would be solution here, X1000 could reach Pentium 90 MHz performance.

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And it seems win95 should run on dosbox:

As I wrote, Windows applications don´t work with only simple or normal core in DosBox, I don´t know if OS4 DosBox supports something more compatible.

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Anyone got WinXP running in any AOS4 x86 emu?

On 486DX/2? Madness.

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XP emulation could/would deliver possibility to use latest tomtom navigator updater etc. windows-only tools and would perhaps eliminate the x86 need for a few more people.

Better to use RDesktop for that purpose.

@pavlor

"Better to use RDesktop for that purpose."
Planning to ...

x86 on PCI card or connection over USB2 would deliver far better results than over 100Mbit ethernet. But I'm afraid we do not have the R&D muscle for that...
(yet another option could be xcore86 on a SAM FPGA expansion connector or on xorro slot)
xcore86 site
example board

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KimmoK wrote: @pavlor "Better to use RDesktop for that purpose." Planning to ... x86 on PCI card or connection over USB2 would deliver far better results than over 100Mbit ethernet. But I'm afraid we do not have the R&D muscle for that... (yet another option could be xcore86 on a SAM FPGA expansion connector or on xorro slot) xcore86 site example board

So basicly you are saying "Why use working solution when you can make halfarsed clusterf*ck"

@Rose

"Why use working solution"

What's the working solution?
Build mini-itx or nano x86 inside Amiga case, beside Amiga motherboard and connect with RDesktop over ethernet?

Sure, it would work and it would be available, but I think there would be room for improvement.

MS-DOS was a working solution and look what people did! Those bastards.


Example: If I could buy a 3.3 volt PCI card with xcore86 to run x86 apps with it in usable speed on my SAM, I would buy it. Next best thing might be to connect over USB2 to the mini-itx board (that is inside the same case with my SAM), but the SW for AOS4 is missing for that.
update: forgot the 1GB ethernet ... with updated drivers the 1GB ethernet PCI card (jumbo frames in use) could give very good RDesktop/VNC performance.

Yet another solution ... QEmu with JIT + x1000 HW ... too pricey for me at the moment.
btw. what's the status of QEmu for AOS4? Anyone tried to port it?

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@A1XK users

can you plz try that pictures iwith my app LoVIew plz?

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA08353.jpg

http://www.v12-gt.com/var/v12gt/storage/images/galerie/galeries-photos/galeries-gt/alfa-romeo/alfa-romeo-8c-spider-blanc-jante/60416-1-fre-FR/Alfa-Romeo-8C-Spider-blanc-jante.jpg

plz remember to add "USEWPA" ToolType since AOS4.x picture.datatype cant handle so big pictures...

My Peg2@1131 takes 11.3 secs to load and display moon and about 5.2 secs loading the car...

Plz dont compare with MOS since MOS 2D subsystem was proved to be fast and than not a valid reference(here oin Peg2 was almost twice faster loadinfg the moon )
Sop an only AmigaOS4.x bench...

Thank you.

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KimmoK wrote: @Rose "Why use working solution" What's the working solution? Build mini-itx or nano x86 inside Amiga case, beside Amiga motherboard and connect with RDesktop over ethernet?

Use rdesktop, no reason to build the PC in same case just to make it more expensive.


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Example: If I could buy a 3.3 volt PCI card with xcore86 to run x86 apps with it in usable speed on my SAM, I would buy it. Next best thing might be to connect over USB2 to the mini-itx board (that is inside the same case with my SAM), but the SW for AOS4 is missing for that.

Why you want to use solution which haves hard time to beat Duron 900 from year 2000. Because it has cool name? So it won't be faster than host system? Therea are several way better solutions but that really doesn't matter since there isn't software to access it unless it's system on card which can be accessed trough network with.... TADAA! rdesktop. BTW since you have been preaching about low power consumption it's nice that you have selected only x86 product which doesn't support APM in anyway.

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update: forgot the 1GB ethernet ... with updated drivers the 1GB ethernet PCI card (jumbo frames in use) could give very good RDesktop/VNC performance.

Which one is more likely, getting GigE drivers or driver for magical USB access to PC. And if you think that 100Mbit doesn't give enough performance for for rdesktop/vnc your network is REALLY f*cked up.

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Yet another solution ... QEmu with JIT + x1000 HW ... too pricey for me at the moment.

It "only" needs someone to code it. And you can get PC from dumpster which beats it.

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@Rose

"no reason to build the PC in same case just to make it more expensive"

It would not be more expensive. But it would be "nice", IMO.

"low power consumption"

I thought xcore86 takes 2W while mini-itx boards start above 25W when idle. Perhaps I was wrong.

"magical USB access to PC."
It's not magical. USB networking cables can be found in most x86 shops.

"you can get PC from dumpster"
I have plenty of those and I'll initially use them.
(so far VNC has been very slow between two x86 linux boxes with buffalo router in between ... but the lightning took care of the buffalo ... have to try with my newer router/switch one day. Btw.. PCs from the dumpster consume 100W when idle, except laptops.)

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"magical USB access to PC." It's not magical. USB networking cables can be found in most x86 shops.

True, for about 50-70 euros. GigE switch for 25 euros which is way faster. Guess why most people buy switch and ethernet cables instead? Because that's working solution. And once again we get to.... USB networking support on OS4?

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PA6T can play HD video (as we saw from the Fab´s benchmark)

Well, no, it can't. The clip duration was 69s. So there's no time left to actually decode audio, blit the video and output the audio data (except if you disable loopfilter).

And without overlay, the blitting stage would take substancially more time, too.

Should be enough for 720p, though (like macs are).

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Well, no, it can't. The clip duration was 69s. So there's no time left to actually decode audio, blit the video and output the audio data (except if you disable loopfilter).

I see. Still space for improvements (isn´t your MPlayer for MorphOS a little bit faster than OS4 version on the same hardware?).

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Should be enough for 720p, though (like macs are).

720p is nice... 1080p would be better.

Edit: what does "loopfilter"? (my knowledge is rather "limited" in this regard)

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@thread

I think some important information must be buried in all this gabbing.

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@pavlor

That's a filter used on the reconstructed blocks with H264. When it's disabled, less CPU power is needed, obviously, but depending on the bitrate/compression, you can see "ugly" squares in some parts of the video.
Generally, disabling loopfilter saves 20% CPU, roughly.

@Fab

Thanks for information!

I tried disabling loopfilter in VLC (Windows) and played Promeheus trailer, but I didn´t notice any visual difference. (maybe I did something wrong?)

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I think some important information must be buried in all this gabbing.

A compilation can be found at amiga-news.de.

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in English

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@Senex

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A compilation can be found at amiga-news.de.

Nice!

Another (crazy...) benchmark idea:

DHRY2OD benchmark from this package:
http://www.roylongbottom.org.uk/dostests.zip

in DosBox with cpucycles=max

Edit: The Doom Benchmark at the same conditions in DosBox would be also interesting.

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