Good day,

I normally don't post stuff here but this is not right and I'm not sure how to correct it.
Please look here

" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga " .

no mention of OS4 at all, just new PPC hardware and others OS.

inaccurate info will not help us!

Chris

@QuikSanz

AmigaOS 4 systems
Main article: AmigaOS 4

AmigaOS 4 (OS4) is designed for PowerPC Amiga systems and currently runs on both Amigas equipped with CyberstormPPC or BlizzardPPC accelerator boards, and on the PPC Teron series based AmigaOne computers built by Eyetech under license by Amiga Inc. AmigaOS 4.0 had been available only in developer pre-releases for numerous years until it was officially released in December 2006. Due to the nature of some provisions of the contract between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion Entertainment (the Belgian company which is developing the OS), the commercial AmigaOS 4 had been available only to licensed buyers of AmigaOne motherboards.

AmigaOS 4.0 for Amigas equipped with PowerUP accelerator boards was released in November 2007. The most recent release AmigaOS is 4.1.[35]

Since the AmigaOne, Amiga hardware production has slowed; however Acube Systems has entered an agreement with Hyperion under which it has ported AmigaOS 4 to its Sam440ep and Sam460ex line of PowerPC-based motherboards.[36] In 2009 version for Pegasos II from Genesi/bPlan GmbH was released in co-operation with Acube Systems.[37]

Last edited by TheKorn on 11-Aug-2012 at 06:31 AM.
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@QuikSanz

Look at "Operating systems" and "models and variants" sections, it is there.

We are trying to improve Amiga related Wikipedia articles, this one isn´t that bad. You can of course help us - eg. suggest changest on the talk page. Please, don´t do any extensive changes without discussion on the talk page.

@QuikSanz

I've no idea why anyone would take anything said on a "Wiki" page seriously...

It's nothing but a mish mash of a few accurate facts combined generally with around 90% of nothing more than opinions & guesses written seemingly for the most part by people who haven't got a clue...

Take this for example on that Amiga page...

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Notably, AmigaDOS allowed long filenames (up to 107 characters) with whitespace and did not require file extensions.

Sigh... life would been much simpler if only filenames of up to 107 characters WERE supported across the Amiga range...

When you start to believe most things you read on Wiki then it's time to book yourself into the nearest mental institution...

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@Franko

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Sigh... life would been much simpler if only filenames of up to 107 characters WERE supported across the Amiga range...

Solution: upgrade to the latest version of the OS.

@QuikSanz

OS4 is just part of Amiga history, and is well represented. AROS and MorphOS too.
These sections could expand for sure, but everything is right.
Its good to see C=USA is not forcefully inserted into Amiga history.

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@Franko

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Sigh... life would been much simpler if only filenames of up to 107 characters WERE supported across the Amiga range... When you start to believe most things you read on Wiki then it's time to book yourself into the nearest mental institution...

Remind me what was OS 3.x limit? 27? It was way more then 8+3 for sure, especially when long file format introduced 6chars~1+3

Please go and edit it.

Its 2012 and Win7 depends on extensions ...

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@pavlor

Can wiki pages be set to "Changes by registered users only"? I noticed the last changes were made by IP numbers, perhaps someone without a life looking to entertain himself for the weekend.

@Franko

Is this incorrect? Note it does say “AmigaDOS” not “FFS” or “OFS”.

FFS and OFS only supported 30-32 char’s long names that are true.
There might have been a limitation removed in newer OS but, how many chars can you display in WinUAE?

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@vox

No, everything is not right, when MorphOS and AROS get mentioned in the Amiga intro, while OS4 does not.

@pavlor

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Solution: upgrade to the latest version of the OS.

Then correct Wiki to NOW supports .... characters.
In OS 1.x, 2.x, 3.x ...

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@Androxyn

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No, everything is not right, when MorphOS and AROS get mentioned in the Amiga intro, while OS4 does not.

To be honest, didn`t pay that much attention to the intro, but to the all features.
Yes, that is wrong, since most of "low attention addicts" do read just few sentences and surf away ...

Maybe we could compile wrongs, do some suggestions here and bring final solution back to Wiki

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Can wiki pages be set to "Changes by registered users only"? I noticed the last changes were made by IP numbers, perhaps someone without a life looking to entertain himself for the weekend.

No, everyone is free to edit, but its more serious to have an account
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@Androxyn

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No, everything is not right, when MorphOS and AROS get mentioned in the Amiga intro, while OS4 does not.

OS4 is Amiga OS. Native operating system of Amiga computers. I thought it doesn´t need similar explanation as clones like MorphOS or AROS.

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Can wiki pages be set to "Changes by registered users only"? I noticed the last changes were made by IP numbers, perhaps someone without a life looking to entertain himself for the weekend.

No. Even unregistered users can do some useful edits. Eg. my last substantial contribution to the AmigaOS4 article (versions table) was withou log-in (I forgot...).

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@Franko

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Sigh... life would been much simpler if only filenames of up to 107 characters WERE supported across the Amiga range...

AmigaDOS did allow up to 107 characters it's only the filesystems available at the time that didn't (OFS/FFS). The internal filesystem structures used by OFS/FFS limited filenames to 30 characters but this limit was not in dos.library which is why newer filesystems like f.e. SFS can support longer filenames.

@salass00

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salass00 wrote: @Franko Quote: Sigh... life would been much simpler if only filenames of up to 107 characters WERE supported across the Amiga range... AmigaDOS did allow up to 107 characters

I know that...

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it's only the filesystems available at the time that didn't (OFS/FFS). The internal filesystem structures used by OFS/FFS limited filenames to 30 characters but this limit was not in dos.library which is why newer filesystems like f.e. SFS can support longer filenames.

The point is SFS (which I use) and PFS are NOT any part of the original Amiga file systems, so it's kinda dumb to word the article where it makes it look like to someone who may not know, that if there were to obtain an Amiga that is could handle long filenames as standard, which it can't without installing a third party file system...

If "Wiki" ever has a hope in hell of accurately portraying information then it either needs to be checked & verified by someone before publishing anything, or those who do contribute to it need to at least check their "facts" first and be alot more careful about what they write, otherwise it will always be nothing more than a collection of half baked guesswork and badly written misinformation...

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@Franko

there will ever be misinformation and misinterpretation as long as there is (multiple instances of) "intelligent" life.

@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Franko Is this incorrect? Note it does say “AmigaDOS” not “FFS” or “OFS”. FFS and OFS only supported 30-32 char’s long names that are true. There might have been a limitation removed in newer OS but, how many chars can you display in WinUAE?

Nope... right up to & including OS 3.9 long filenames were never supported as standard by AmigaOS. The only way round it was installing a third party file system like SFS or PFS...

OS 4.0 came with SFS as standard but this should be reflected in such articles and not a blanket statement made wrongly like has been on that page that the Amiga supported long filenames as standard, which of course it didn't...

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@thread

The docs for wbctrl (OS3.5+) clearly state:

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MNL=MAXNAMELENGTH: "icon.library has a built-in file name length limit that affects whether icon files are read and written. Currently, the default for this value is 25 characters.

More about the limitations (which are numerous):

http://www.gregdonner.org/os35faq/diskfileoperation.html#1

If the program is hardcoded, the other factors won't matter anyway.

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@Franko

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Amiga supported long filenames as standard, which of course it didn't...

Depends on your definition of long file names.
OFS filename are 2.5 times longer then MSDOS filenames.

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