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clusteruk 
My side of what happened with Raspberry Pi
Posted on 28-Oct-2012 13:04:48
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I contacted Eben earlier in the year with a view to be a contact in the UK for Amiga and Aros and maybe a conduit for talks with all parties in this Amiga community. They had interests in Amiga which I will not go into here but unfortunately came to nothing. If there deal had been agreed there was to be a substantial amount of money made available for assistance with development, substantial in our terms, not the big world.

Part of this was at the same time to try and put together a distribution of Aros for the Pi which they originally said they would, if legally ok, publish, which for them would be cool as they like Amiga and for us would promote AmigaOS4 and Aros to the rest of the Pi community to do with as they wished. It would have shipped with promotional videos of Amiga in action etc and nice cool backdrops again promoting AmigaOS4 and Aros.

This video attached below was to show all parties my thinking and gauge reaction. Well I got the obvious "Why use AmigaOS4 icons", well that was on purpose because it would give a sense of what the official AmigaOS4 looked like, even though it did not use main icons from OS4, it would show Aros potential. But it would also remind people of how much fun Amiga is to the HUGE number of Pi fans out there. The final reason for release would be to give developers a WORKING development platform for Aros Arm, using all Linux editors and tools and final compile using Aros GCC which was included.

This video was never to be released unless approved by all, I have approval from all artists involved, and Aros key people liked it, without icons but it needed to be seen as a good idea. Well as you may be aware it was deemed as not a good idea, to be honest there were good reasons explained by Hyperion but I think personally they could have been resolved. Anyway, yes after this I lost interest in all of this and dropped the project from being seeing at AmiWest.

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXVq4O16OXo

This video recorded in July and no more work done now.

EDIT: This video is now private, if you wish to view it, send me you youtube account email address to steve at imica.net and I will let you see it. As I said this is a private project for discussion and not a finished product.

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Re: My side of what happened with Raspberry Pi
Posted on 28-Oct-2012 13:21:15
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@clusteruk

That was a great idea!!! To bad it did'nt work out

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Posted on 28-Oct-2012 13:26:37
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@clusteruk

Too bad.

I saw that video quite some time ago and wondered what happend, as I wanted to try it on my pi, too.

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@clusteruk

I cannot express how gutted i am about this not going ahead,its a shame as i was really looking forward to your AROS for PI they seemed to be a perfect match.

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Posted on 28-Oct-2012 13:30:05
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@clusteruk

i'm a tad confused. why exactly couldn't you release what you had sans the AmigaOS-style icons and window decorations? if i were hyperion i wouldn't want GUI elements from AmigaOS used either, frankly. AROS is its own community. surely you could have marched forward without the tie-in?

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Posted on 28-Oct-2012 13:34:48
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@clusteruk

I would have though that having now the video core driver open sourced would mean a native Aros.
Those who succeed are the one who never surrender :)

Nice vid
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wawa 
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Posted on 28-Oct-2012 13:36:34
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to be honest id circumnavigate just anything that resembles os4 by a great distance and wouldnt apporoach them even with honest and good hearted propositions of support or advertisement as those would most certainly be taken as an attempt on sabotage.

edit: and thats why am not so sure aros should get into any sorts of "cooperation" in this context, just not to expose itself to any later threats by the supposed allys. remember: "the policy is subject to change without notice"!

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OlafS25 
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@eliyahu

+1

That is what I do not understand either. Choose another theme and another icon set and drop all references to OS4.

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Posted on 28-Oct-2012 13:47:19
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That is what I do not understand either. Choose another theme and another icon set and drop all references to OS4.

exactly. i saw jason's demo of AROS on the raspberry pi at amiwest, so you can do it without the AmigaOS look and feel just fine. not sure why everyone is getting their knickers in a twist here. AROS needs permission when copying OS4 GUI elements; it doesn't need permission when using its own GUI themes. just use the AROS ones no one is concerned about and march on.

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@wawa

Honestly we should wait and see what Solie answers (if he does). Now I understand at least when he mentioned using interface of OS4. I do not understand why clusteruk wanted to promote OS4 and why he not simply changed Theme and icons when he saw the reactions and instead dropped the project. Was OS4 promoting critical for his efforts and why?

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@clusteruk

IMO the default OS4 icons are ugly and boring (and so are the default AROS ones!)

Why let something superficial like some stupid icons discourage you? The AROS porting effort is much more important than achieving some special look or making free advertising for Hyperion.

Personally, I'd much rather have some nice and crisp hand-pixeled 256 color icons than blurry truecolor blobs when it comes to look and feel.

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Why promoting os4 with an aros machine?. I don't understand it.

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@Channel_Z, Olaf, thecrow

+1!

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rzookol 
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@clusteruk

Aros icons are better than OS4 ones (for me), and aros skin (this morphos-like) is better than Os4 gui also. Use AROS brand, AmigaOS4 is quite insignificant as Commodore OS.

btw. nice kitchen :)

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AROS needs permission when copying OS4 GUI elements; it doesn't need permission when using its own GUI themes. just use the AROS ones no one is concerned about and march on.


Wrong on two accounts. GUI can be cloned (at least in Europe without issues as long as it is not saying it's OS4) and ClusterUK isn't AROS (he is apart of the AROS community) but his own company. Clearly ClusterUK has his legal ducks in a row by receiving permission from the appropriate developer.

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Posted on 28-Oct-2012 14:11:51
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What is so hard to understand, you can't distribute AmigaOS material whit out the right to do so.

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Even worst if Clusteruk made money on stolen graphics.

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If it is legal to or not is not really important. He wanted to promote OS4 with it (why ever) and Hyperion was not interested. Why not simply remove it?

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Posted on 28-Oct-2012 14:17:08
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@clusteruk

Saw the vid, pretty cool. Imo you just drop ANY reference to OS4.x and just go ahead with your project. After all, NOBODY cares about OS4.x on the huge RPi community. Publication of such proportion due to some png look alike icons? Lame! Btw the date of the video and the "behind the scenes" discussions afterwards are closely to the date of a thread started here on AWN regarding how bad idea and probably illegal is OS4.x theme on AROS... but can't remember anything more.. perhaps someone with a strong memory or google capabilities can shed some light here...

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Posted on 28-Oct-2012 14:21:22
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@damocles

thanks for the correction. was thinking about this from a US perspective without realizing everyone involved is in europe. i also responded to your comment in the other thread here.

anyway i still think steve's AROS distro for the raspberry pi is a good idea. just drop the OS4-style stuff and move on.

-- eliyahu

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Really you should be more careful with such sentences. If I understand it right he used icons in "OS4" style with permission and not "original" and he did not earn money with it but negotiated with the PI people about them investing in Aros.

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