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Metalheart 
Re: Windows 8
Posted on 14-Dec-2012 1:43:21
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So is this the general consensus, or only the Amigaworld ?

There must be something good about this, or else a big company like MS wouldnt design it like this.....

Anyone seen those movies where all information is seen and handled on those big transparant glass tables and screens in the middle of a room, controlled by touch and shuffeling pages and images around ?

Oh, the horror....

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Re: Windows 8
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Once upon a time there was a computer which, when turned on, shown nothing but a hand holding a floppy.

If you wanted to play a game or some other quickie, you'd pop in a disk, and you were ready to go.

If you needed to do something productive, you'd pop in another disk and go to a desktop environment with windows, menus, a pointer, a filesystem and all of that.

Casual using and productivity/pro usage where separated and everyone was happy. Still the two lived inside the same box. Can you remember that box?






(Was it a consolle that could also run a full desktop OS? Or a computer who could act as a consolle? Oh, the horrible hybridness!)

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Re: Windows 8
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@resle

Quote:

resle wrote:
Once upon a time there was a computer which, when turned on, shown nothing but a hand holding a floppy.

If you wanted to play a game or some other quickie, you'd pop in a disk, and you were ready to go.

If you needed to do something productive, you'd pop in another disk and go to a desktop environment with windows, menus, a pointer, a filesystem and all of that.

Casual using and productivity/pro usage where separated and everyone was happy. Still the two lived inside the same box. Can you remember that box?


I hate to break this to you but waaay back when, they invented a clever little gizmo called the Hard Disk Drive that magically took away that image of a hand holding a disk and did away with the need to insert floppies all the time...

Seems you've been missing out on things...

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Re: Windows 8
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@Moxee

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Just imagine sitting that close to your monitor for hours too. I sit almost 2 arm lengths away from a large monitor and don't want to get closer. I don't need more eye strain, my eyes are bad enough already.


Odd things is almost 30 years of sitting in front of CRT monitors for anything up to 18 hours a day using jittery interlace screens and my eyesight has been fine...

Two months of sitting in front of a 27" iMac LCD screen and me right eye can't focus on anything anymore, I have to sit that close to it if it were a touch screen I'd have to use my nose as there's no space to get my hand in there...

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resle 
Re: Windows 8
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@Franko

Indeed.

Then imagine it the other way around:
- DO NOT pop in a disk (floppy/cd/dvd/blu ray/whatever) and you get a full desktop.
- POP in a disk and get your quick and dirty unproductive full app without bothering with windows, filesystems, etc.

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@resle

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@Franko

Indeed.

Then imagine it the other way around:
- DO NOT pop in a disk (floppy/cd/dvd/blu ray/whatever) and you get a full desktop.


Not an a iMac you don't, you get a desktop sure but it only has one real use and that's for launching a browser...

PS:Their latest models of iMacs don't even have anywhere you could pop in a DVD or CD or whatever...

Quote:
- POP in a disk and get your quick and dirty unproductive full app without bothering with windows, filesystems, etc.


Nah pop in a wee single solitary disk like DigiView for example and you get a very productive and full app, no bother at all...

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DiscreetFX 
Re: Windows 8
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@g01df1sh

We had a few comments about this.

http://aladdin4d.blogspot.com

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resle 
Re: Windows 8
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@Franko

Ah, you know... whatever. In general, it's a computing metaphor I liked a lot. It's somewhat enforcing a less stressful behavior as a computer user.

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agami 
Re: Windows 8
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@thread

I know M$ and Windoze bashing is part of an Amigan's DNA, but what I'm seeing here is going beyond that.

All those complaining about Windows 8, or the touch interface, or the modal nature of the today's computing paradigm, you're all officially Old Farts. Even if you are in your twenties, you have an Old Fart soul.

There's no going back. Nothing will ever be good enough again.

@Franko

And talk about not checking yourself before wrecking yourself

Quote:

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latest software often means you have to upgrade to the latest OS and indeed sometimes hardware.


That's every computing system ever manufactured. Or are you running the latest version of Blender on your Amiga 1000 with OS 1.2?

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Re: Windows 8
Posted on 14-Dec-2012 4:29:05
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@agami

I like tablets and touch interfaces when done right. I have owned the original iPad for years. However I'm not buying into the disaster called Windows 8.

http://mobile.pcmag.com/?ref=304364&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcmag.com%2Farticle2%2F0%2C2817%2C2411445%2C00.asp

I'll stick with Windows 7 when I need to run Windows.

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resle 
Re: Windows 8
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@DiscreetFX

How is it a disaster exactly?

I've been using W8 since the consumer preview. Since I use desktop apps, I'm always in the classic desktop environment. Do I notice any difference from W7? Yes, it's slightly faster, and the start button has gone. The end.

A disaster would be a combination of one or more of the following:
- Aaaaah!! I can't run those N>3 key applications animore!
- AAAAAAH the installation destroyed my user files!
- UUuuuggggH!! My hardware is unrecognized! No drivers! My pc is bricked!
- Nooooo! This is unusable! How do I close the windows now?? Where is my pointer?

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Re: Windows 8
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@resle

All I can say is you and the one other guy that bought Win8 should enjoy it then. The disaster is no one buys Win8, the market is rejecting it.

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Re: Windows 8
Posted on 14-Dec-2012 7:36:52
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What about putting "Magellan 9" on top of any windows. Then make it more like Amiga.

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Re: Windows 8
Posted on 14-Dec-2012 8:07:56
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@resle

So if there is no difference you burn your money for getting no start menu button. Clever

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Posted on 14-Dec-2012 8:15:22
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It's not a crap os at all... it's just you people getting older and not taking changes very good
You aren't forced to use it like a tablet if you don't have a tablet, you can switch to desktop mode and get accustomed very fast (there are also free tools to have the same shell as W7, including the Start Button)
Every big company out there is moving towards integration between devices and Microsoft is just doing what 99% people ask for, is it wrong? I don't think so, if you wanna make money and survive
W8 has great use of hardware resources, it's amazing even compared to the already good W7. I wish Amiga OS was optimized on dealing with the hardware like W8 is.

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DC_Edge 
Re: Windows 8
Posted on 14-Dec-2012 10:19:15
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I have 2 pcs with win8 (and a win7)

I hear eveyone around me (not only amiga community) complaining about that os

had win8 the 26th october at release date and needed a 2 months practice delay to forget all my old ways to deal with that start menu

No i see win8 as the following
- start menu is replaced by the welcome screen, that you can customine in some clics and make appear all the most used appz there
- the rest is like win7 more or less

'start/program files/accessories/system tools/defrag"
(some clics and many mouse move)

is now replaced by

windows key (keyboard)+on clic on defrag

So....for me, win8 is a nice way to do less clic and I can say I'm pretty happy with the new welcome screen replacing start menu!

you search something not in the welcome screen?
press de windows key (keyboard), just type the name of the app, and it's just there.

Same thing, I tested many scenarios (for win8 migration for a compagny i do some support), and hanged at some point the win8 install completely (bad usb drivers I was trying to force install on win8 bypassing every single warning that it wouldn't work", after reboot win8 hanged, rebooted, self restored it, and was up and running in around 5 minutes. Same thing on winXP would cause a complete system reinstall....not that bad no?

Sincerely, I don't understand all this noise around the bad win8
who is for me a nice os, even better than win7 (who was really excellent).

of course, you can install some freeware to make the old start menu come back, but in thios case, why move to win8?

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resle 
Re: Windows 8
Posted on 14-Dec-2012 10:20:18
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@Derringer

Uh... no, except for:

Hyper-V on Client (almost the same as Server 2012 Hyper-V)
Virtual Network Switch
Powershell v3
Virtual Fibre Channel
SMB 3.0 Attached Storage
Explorer VHD/ISO mount
Guest NUMA Direct
Direct Attached FC HBA
Dynamic Memory
64 TB Dynamic Virtual Disk
64 Logical CPU
VM 10-finger Touch
Extensible Virtual Switch
New Performance Tools
Support for Low Power Busses
VM NIC VMQ
VM NIC Teaming
IIS 8.0
Do Not Track (DNT) capability
Secure Boot
Measured Boot
New Task Manager
Powershell Web Interface
Trusted Boot
New MDT, WAIK, MDOP
Offline Domain Join
WMI 2.0
Remote Attestation Service
Remote Applications
Connected Standby
Virtual Smartcards
Windows RT (Windows on ARM)
BuiltIn USB 3.0 Support
BuiltIn Bluetooth 4.0 Support
UEFI 2.3.1
DaRT 8.0
Storage Spaces Thin/Thick Provisioning
New VDI
New Windows Defender (Forefront Scan Engine)
New Firewall with Packet Filtering
PS ISE integrated CMD List
.Net Framework 4.5 SP1
Hybrid Shutdown
Improved, comprehensive Compiler Defenses(GS, ASLR, DEP, SAFESEH, SEHOP, Heap Spray, robust, etc.)
Async APIs (85% of WinRT APIs and included in .Net 4.5)
High Contrast Mode changes
Windows RT APIs and new Kernel Services(e.g. Background Tasks, Suspended Apps)
Maintenance Tasks
Suspended Apps
Shared Kernel Phone, Tablet, Notebook, PC
Offloaded File/Folder Operation (ODX Protocol)
New Application Model Platform neutral (Intel/AMD/ARM)
Windows to go parse-through VM
Windows Store App Resource Protection
OPP Brokered API Isolation
App Contracts Secure App Data exchange (Search, Share, FilePicker,PlayTo)
Process Isolation Low Integrity App container
VM 3D graphic support
New Windows 8 OS Switch Point via App Manifest
File History
Windows Refresh / Reset
Optical Disk Power Management
Windows Store Installer
Sideloading Installation
Startup Application Diagnostics
Enhanced Cloud Integration Linked Microsoft Account
Settings Roaming
Much faster boot
Much lower memory footprint on HDD and RAM


Note that I don't give a shit about promoting ANY OS. But I care a lot about the long lost art of objectivity, something that would get the world rid of many unhealthy "ISMs".


@DiscreetFX

Dismissal and cancer are the same to me. But again, why do I even bother discussing. DiscreetFX is... well, DiscreetFX.

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DC_Edge 
Re: Windows 8
Posted on 14-Dec-2012 11:01:49
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@resle

Lots of those improvements doesn't bring any clue to a basic user;)
Although Yes, the New task manager is nice, also the the speed trail for copying files is excellent (I will ask to gpsoftware to bring the same thing on directoryopus for windows).

file history also, is a nice thing, since it was (if I don't make a mistake) only available on pro version of former microsoft oses.

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DiscreetFX 
Re: Windows 8
Posted on 14-Dec-2012 11:25:37
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@resle

Have you worked at Microsoft for a while or just getting started?

Last edited by DiscreetFX on 14-Dec-2012 at 12:02 PM.

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resle 
Re: Windows 8
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@DiscreetFX

some creativity in replies wouldn't hurt.
Wow you even EDITED that clever message!

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