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OlafS25 
Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
Posted on 8-Jul-2013 15:17:27
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@Spirantho

I am not sure if it will be as much cheaper as many hope. I am amazed that they do it at all because I had assumed that most of the market (people with lots of money wanting a high-end system) already bought a X1000. So it all depends on the potential sales now. If they calculate lower sales than for the X1000 price could go up, on the other hand components are (propably) cheaper. So I do not know.

Best ask Trevor when Q&A

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
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Breezin' ?

Hmm, lets think...

Something with an Amiga Fan (Pun intended) ?

Or do you mean no fan at all ?!

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
Posted on 8-Jul-2013 15:52:56
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@eliyahu

Thats incorrect. It depends on developer rate, if its something they are interested in they knock off a hefty sum at times

I have a lot of development done between £100- £400, I have a current developer working right now.

We dont have easy to use developer/cross compile tools. not to mention debugging.

How is a developer suppose to test their work ? especially GFX/GUI ?

This has become easier with Qt on OS4.

Yes, i know, some large developers use 1000+ processor cloud services to compile large projects eg latest games on PC.
Our developer tools & docs are still in their infancy unfortunately.


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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
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@Dirk-B

Clue: it is related to a Commodore tradition.

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@thinkchip

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You'd think the next Amiga model would be a laptop / notebook, since there has been so much interest.


I agree. The cheap price estimated for the netbook just sounded too unrealisitic, kind of like how the netboook turned out.

Now, given the interest in the X1000, how about they design a portable version? Or some portable version. Model the Sam perhaps. Then all we need is a laptop case.

All we really need is a plastic casing, embed a keyboard into it and attach a screen. How hard can it be? Someone get a 3d printer and just do it!

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No idea.

Or has it something to do with King Tut ?

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Some Amiga Devs use multiple AMiga NG machines


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[18:27:59] My Amigas are busy compiling OS code and I have one driving another.
[18:28:19] I figured if they crashed and burned you would no appreciate the in/out messages.
[18:28:32] not
[18:28:50] I have an AmigaOne 500 and an AmigaOne X1000 working together at the moment.

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
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@amigakit

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Clue: it is related to a Commodore tradition.

so did @ddni get it right, then?

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amigakit wrote:
@Dirk-B

Clue: it is related to a Commodore tradition.


hmm....

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
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@thread

Cyrus is a decent spec in terms of hardware but if the cost can come down to sub £1k level its more affordable.

I think at £1k it would be the upper limit price point to be success.

The next step would be independent review by a small group of developers Linux, win32, Apple and Amiga programmers and attempt a small port of an app eg GUI/GFX and a game.

Take notes on their success and struggles to help make an Amiga developer environment on par to latest technology and standards.

The easier and quicker Amiga development is the more Apps and games we would have, but we need proper scrutiny from experts in the field.

The Cyrus is the new standard for a few years to come A-eon have worked hard in providing what looks like a powerful and future proof machine. The hardware has arrived since the X1k, now we need to optimize the software to take advantage of the hardware.

Is their any comparative GUI benchmarks Qt, Amiga3.1, OS4, MUI eg speed, responsiveness, memory usage, ease of code etc ?

Do we have any high res Cyrus motherboard images ? or promo packs ?

Cyrus is going to be one powerful 'beast'.lets hope for decent marketing and benchmarks to really sell and promote this beauty.

Great work Trevor
Thanks so much !

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
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@amigakit

Let's hope for "Computers for the masses not the classes" ;)
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OlafS25 
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@kamelit0

my car, my house, my swimming pool, my X2000

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thellier 
Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
Posted on 8-Jul-2013 17:07:04
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Please can someone write down what is said on this Trevors video
just for us that dont understand so well the English langage

MANY THANKS

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Hondo 
Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
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@amigakit

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Clue: it is related to a Commodore tradition.


So what you're trying to say is that the word Breezin is scratched onto the Cyrus MB or ?

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Re: A-EON Project "CYRUS"
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As an X1000 owner, very happy new systems are in development. However, one lesson the industry has learned, is never start touting your next systems, unless you want to kill demand for your current ones. Really hope this announcement doesn't eliminate current demand for the X1000 Nemo systems. Time will tell.

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awesome news !!!

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pavlor 
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Posted on 8-Jul-2013 18:41:31
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@amigang

Specs are nice. Hopefully price will be under 2000 EUR.

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Rob 
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vox 
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Posted on 8-Jul-2013 18:58:23
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@Rob

Its Cyrus. Its Breezin.

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amigadave 
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Posted on 8-Jul-2013 19:03:41
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@jingof

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jingof wrote:
@amigang

As an X1000 owner, very happy new systems are in development. However, one lesson the industry has learned, is never start touting your next systems, unless you want to kill demand for your current ones. Really hope this announcement doesn't eliminate current demand for the X1000 Nemo systems. Time will tell.


Since the demand for the X1000 has so far surpassed the supply, it does not appear that AmigaKit, or A-Eon are concerned about losing future sales of the X1000 systems. Plus, I am sure it is not easy for them to find sources for buying the PA6T CPU's at an acceptable price. With AmigaKit and A-Eon absorbing the increased cost of buying these PA6T CPU's, their profit on each system has been less than they originally wanted (which I think they had already kept as low as they thought possible for the original X1000 systems), so the work involved with producing, testing and shipping them might be making all involved with the process a very low hourly wage (and also may be actually hurting AmigaKit's regular business, due to the man hours required and limited manpower available). These are just a few reasons why AmigaKit & A-Eon may not be worried about sales of the X1000 slowing down, or ending (but these are just guesses, and may be completely inaccurate).

Taking all of that into consideration, I am still a little surprised that Trevor has decided to announce information about the Cyrus project 12 to 18 months in advance of it being ready for release (I think that is the time frame Matthew Leaman of AmigaKit stated for possible release date). Maybe Trevor just wanted to give the Amiga community a boost and have something to look forward to in the future. Something to plan for and save up for.

When I first learned that Trevor was going to continue designing and producing custom PPC motherboards and systems to run AmigaOS4.x (and possibly other OSes) on, I did not think it was a good idea, as I thought the market was too small to support such an effort, but now that he is moving forward and making progress, maybe he is right and maybe his efforts and new hardware will bring enough former Amiga users and programmers back to our community to make it worthwhile. I don't know if it will ever be profitable, but if it spurs an increase in Amiga development and encourages more Amiga users to do a little bedroom programming and/or porting of existing software, then it does not need to make a profit to be a success.

You are a crazy Amiga enthusiast Trevor, and I admire your drive and determination for your ideas which help support the community called "Amiga". Good luck with all of your plans and thanks for creating the AmigaOne X1000, which I plan to enjoy using for a long time into the future.

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