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bennymee 
Re: Some Power related news
Posted on 4-Sep-2020 18:29:39
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That soc looks promising !

No need for a fpga, Power and PowerPC's can still be ordered ,:)

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Re: Some Power related news
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No need for a fpga, Power and PowerPC's can still be ordered ,:)


They are also far more powerful than any FPGA solution could offer at the same price with current technology.

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Re: Some Power related news
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OpenPOWER Foundation Introduces IBM Hardware and Software Contributions at OpenPOWER Summit 2020

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Re: Some Power related news
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"The A2O core is an out-of-order, multi-threaded, 64-bit POWER ISA core that was developed as a processor for customization and embedded use in system-on-chip (SoC) devices."

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Re: Some Power related news
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The Github page has a section titled "FPGA Implementation Notes," so I guess that's at least possible. I have no idea how difficult it would be to port OS4 to the A20, although it's probably less work than moving to ARM.

https://github.com/openpower-cores/a2o

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Re: Some Power related news
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For WHDload games, running built-in UAE on AmigaOS 4.1 FE would be competing against WinUAE on Windows 10 based PC!

Vampire V4's price tag is EURO 579. Price a new Power64 solution for about EURO 579.

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If you want to argue against my point then find, for example, an FPGA board for £1400 or under that matches or outperforms the Cyrus Plus with it's 2GHz E5500 cores. Any other argument is not relevant to the context of the statement I made in the above post.

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Hard to listen to, but interesting:

OpenPOWER Libre-SOC

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Rob wrote:
@Hammer

If you want to argue against my point then find, for example, an FPGA board for £1400 or under that matches or outperforms the Cyrus Plus with it's 2GHz E5500 cores. Any other argument is not relevant to the context of the statement I made in the above post.


My Ryzen 9 3900X blows that solution away. Again, running any UAE on Power64 attracts WinUAE/Amiga Forever PC competition.

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Re: Some Power related news
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matthey wrote:

2) Economies of scale could not be leveraged enough selling into one market where x86_64 has 2 markets (servers and desktops) and shares development costs. Also IBM expects high margins.

X86-64 has 2-in1 tablets/laptops, desktops, servers, and game consoles (Xbox, Playstation) markets.

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Re: Some Power related news
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@Hammer

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Vampire V4's price tag is EURO 579. Price a new Power64 solution for about EURO 579.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMkFuS_ZkrM

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Re: Some Power related news
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For WHDload games, running built-in UAE on AmigaOS 4.1 FE would be competing against WinUAE on Windows 10 based PC!


Your making no sense at all, you don’t know anything about AmigaOS4.x, you think you know, but you don’t, first all you don’t buy it to run EUAE, EAUE is tool that can use on Linux or MacOSX, or what ever if free open source and is based on same source code that WinUAE and other UAE’s are based on, the thing you must understand is that UAE is not the sales argument.

Your argument some how competes with Amiga Forever and Cloanto, is false, because Cloanto main comparator is WinUAE, the open source version of Amiga Forever.

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Re: Some Power related news
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My Ryzen 9 3900X blows that solution away. Again, running any UAE on Power64 attracts WinUAE/Amiga Forever PC competition.


Please explain how this makes a PowerPC core running on current FPGA tech faster than a PowerPC ASIC?

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Posted on 19-Sep-2020 23:32:24
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Rob wrote:
Please explain how this makes a PowerPC core running on current FPGA tech faster than a PowerPC ASIC?


Did you watch the video NutsAboutAmiga posted.

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FPGAs are about as performant as two generations process ago. Again that's hand wavy. But what that means is that the current line of Altera FPGAs, for instance, you should be able to implement Sandy Bridge if you want to.


That is probably favorable but hints at the processing potential of the FPGA. The FPGA would likely be more competitive with simple parallel processing like a GPU. Expensive FPGAs are needed to outperform NXP PPC cores but the price of FPGAs are constantly dropping (allowing to use bigger and faster FPGAs) while the EOL NXP PPC chips are more likely to increase in price. The 68k Apollo Core performance is gaining on PPC cores for the same reason.

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Re: Some Power related news
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bison wrote:
Hard to listen to, but interesting:

OpenPOWER Libre-SOC


Knowing LKCL's history it's likely that Amy05, ACK's whole line of PPC's and "I will make cheaper PPC mobo when I have time" computers will be released before Libre-SOC is usable.

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matthey 
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Knowing LKCL's history it's likely that Amy05, ACK's whole line of PPC's and "I will make cheaper PPC mobo when I have time" computers will be released before Libre-SOC is usable.


The last of the PPC projects will likely be forgotten in a few years whether or not they are successful. Nothing new, move on. The Libre project is trying to create something different and difficult where there is demand for embedded use. They are doing R&D into hybrid CPU+GPU cores using vector processing. This has advantages especially for a cache coherent small embedded CPU+GPU SoC which current hardware has trouble scaling down to. It is probably not what you want being the last of a few hundred PPC diehard users desiring desktop hardware and performance which has practically no chance of making a difference for technology or proliferation.

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Re: Some Power related news
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@thread

some comparison with RISCV / Power9. Amiga X5000 mentioned as well as PowerPC notebook

https://www.talospace.com/2020/09/the-first-production-risc-v-workstation.html

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Re: Some Power related news
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Power10 video introduction
https://youtu.be/btbeXx6xXBU

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Posted on 29-Sep-2020 13:40:13
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The IBM presentation looks great, I am curious how it will be against the competition in 2022!

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Another interesting youtube link about new IBM Power10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCP_MmqVStI&ab_channel=ServeTheHome

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