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Chris_Y 
Re: Amiga one X3500???
Posted on 5-Nov-2014 10:47:57
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I want to amaze my windows friend with fast Amiga boot speeds, not be amazed myself how fast Windows 7 boots compared to the fastest Amiga ever built...


My relatively slow SAM440EP boots much faster than Windows 7 here. Also after I log on to Windows 7 I have to wait bloody ages before I can actually do anything.

I would be surprised if the X1000 was drastically slower.

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Re: Amiga one X3500???
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@Chris_Y

I have both and, yes, the Sam440ep boots faster.

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wawa 
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it still is true for win7, but my surface with win8.1 boots almost instantly and is at my disposal as any other tablet while it is a regular i5 mobile computer. i rather doubt a sam can beat it in this respect, and it wasnt particularly expensive either.

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itix 
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@cha05e90

Here Win7 boots as quickly as my Mac Mini does, i.e. ten seconds and I can start working.

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Vistaus 
Re: Amiga one X3500???
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@wawa

My Surface Pro 3 with i3 takes quite a while to boot. And I don't even do much with it. In fact, Antergos (Linux) boots much faster than Win 8.1 on it. Sure, it's still faster than my AmigaOne 500 but that's expected as my AONE doesn't have an SSD and my SP3 does. My AONE 500 w/ 500 GB HDD boots in under 30 seconds, Win 8.1 on my SP3 w/ 64 GB SSD (again: with not much on it since I don't use Win that much) boots in about 14 seconds and Antergos in about 10. So no, Win 8.1 doesn't boot "almost instantly on the Surface"... I highly doubt i5 makes the difference here since it was already in a few extensive tests that the i3 in the SP3 beats the i5 by a hair when it comes to real-world performance and gaming (obviously, the i5 is better when doing intense tasks).

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@all

Still, the consesus is that the fastest Amiga ever built is the slowest to boot of all these machines. Beaten also by Sam440, a 4-5 times slower machine. I also have a surface, and it boots fast, probably due to its customized hardware that will never change, and therefore will never need any scans or waits for unplugged PCI/IDE/SATA/CF/USB ports.

While I do realize that stability had to come first when creating all AmigaOne modes, which means waiting that maximum time the specs say for all possible ports on the entire machine before comencing boot. A total of many more seconds than typically needed for the things actually attached at any given point, there should have been some room for improvements after seeming that the stuff works. Maybe configuration in CFE to skip scanning some ports I know I don't use.

For example skip waiting for any CD device if CD was not selected as a boot media. Allow configuration of bootable disks such that no time is wasted waiting for disks that are not even attched, and certainly not bootable.

And finally: Allow faster harddisk read speed in CFE.

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Re: Amiga one X3500???
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@winboots
Win8.1pro boots up in 12s on a bay trail tablet (no real difference with 32bit vs 64bit). Hybrid/fast boot happens in 7s. IIRC.

MorphOS and AOS4 are faster than linux in bootup in my household.

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wawa 
Re: Amiga one X3500???
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@Deniil715
talking about a fastest amiga ever built, my a4k booting from custom kick and equipped with an ssd drive attached to mk3 scsi wasnt actually the slowest either, however it has never beaten the sam machine booting to workbench from kick 3.0. a shame i seldom run that setup on it.

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broadblues 
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@Deniil715

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Still, the consesus is that the fastest Amiga ever built is the slowest to boot of all these machines. Beaten also by Sam440, a 4-5 times slower machine.



If you are talking X1000 verses SAM-Flex.

Than from hard reboot, my flex wins, from soft reboot my X wins hands down, this issue is with the Radeon initialisation I believe, I haven't out much effort into optimistin either.



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Re: Amiga one X3500???
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@wawa

My A1200T with BlizzardPPC needs to reset a few times during boot to apply patches from Setpatch and the ROM Update. So that slows down the boot process.

@all

With the X5000, we will be working to minimise the boot process, however the graphics card initialisation does add a few valuable seconds to the process.

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wawa 
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@amigakit

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My A1200T with BlizzardPPC needs to reset a few times during boot to apply patches from Setpatch and the ROM Update. So that slows down the boot process.

therefore i made a custom kick with all improvements included and put it in the flash. the content of modules that exceeded the 512kb rom limit was put next to it. the machine booted fine from usb stick as well. when speaking of new workbench disks, it would be actually a challenge, to put together a simple workbench distribution inclusive all confirmed official and inofficial patches a user could install on his drive while choosing options in the instal script.

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marko 
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Me too :) I could not stand that black/white PC-esque Uboot screen personally.

+1 !!!

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Spectre660 
Re: Amiga one X3500???
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@broadblues

My now departed Sam440ep-flex booted in 44 seconds with a RadeonHD via a pcie to pci adapter.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37704&forum=33&start=20&27#707385

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marko 
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@thread

This was on my Sam440ep-flex @ 800MHz with Update 2 and without an SSD. But I think it's faster now with Update 6, I have't clocked it now though...

AmigaOS 4.1 - Startup & Reboot
http://youtu.be/87DeoBqGSeA

I bet there are people with faster boot ups on their Sams

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Belxjander 
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@marko

I'm not sure quite how fast 30 seconds from cold to Workbench with a usable system rates...

My A3000/A4000 setup (from over a decade ago now...) was optimized to bootsrtap a 1MB ROM update through BlizKick and completed loading to a usable system in about 30-40 seconds...
40 seconds was generally connecting the networking...

My current sam440 flex setup from cold to full workbench and first application is around the same timeframe afaik.

But I do load a lot more directly from the SATA HDD on it.

Beyond the basic essentials I am also actively developing materials that need to remain resident and NOT expunge without a reset myself which does make things harder for the testing end of things.

I've automated everything I can for the concerned projects and still have a LOT more to put together for stability over raw speed however.

is 30 seconds decent for Workbench, TPTcron, ARexx, Networking and the option to launch basically anything at startup as an almost immediate launch before startup is complete?

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Deniil715 
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Posted on 6-Nov-2014 8:52:26
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@wawa

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wawa wrote:
@Deniil715
talking about a fastest amiga ever built, my a4k booting from custom kick and equipped with an ssd drive attached to mk3 scsi wasnt actually the slowest either, however it has never beaten the sam machine booting to workbench from kick 3.0. a shame i seldom run that setup on it.


Yeah, my A1200-PPC/BVision/FastATA was pretty slow too, especially power on. Three resets and probably up to two minutes. The X1000 is way faster but still leaving something to desire.

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@itix

I haven't even gotten to Grub in 10 seconds on my new 6-core (12 thread) i7.

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itix 
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@olegil

I also have i7 here. I dont know how many cores there are but 5 seconds and it is loading Windows 7 already and 35 seconds more and I am in login screen (I just clocked that). It used to be much faster but is still fast enough because honestly how often you reboot your computer? Once in a month maybe?

My MorphOS install on Mac has also slowed down on booting after numerous updates (Amiga SFS fragments quite badly in long run).

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BTW, many developers never turn off their machines (don't they Lyle?).


I have seen no need for any of the "PowerOff" utilities. it seems to be counter-productive to turn my system off. That would be like putting brakes on a race car. :)

I have made a few VERY simple changes to my X1000 case though:

I moved the Power LED (red power button) over to P31 so I can use it for feedback while troubleshooting. It can easily be controlled by code, ARexx or a DOS script.
Check OS4Depot for Nemo_led_p31 or something like that.. very easy to do.
Even when NOT using the code it comes on and stays on by default, so you'll only know something is different when it starts turning on/off.

I added a Blue LED behind the power button, and connected it to the HDD activity light.
(rectangular LEDs are easiest to glue)

Because the hard reset button is so well hidden, I swapped it for the power button at the motherboard. Now I use the PowerButton for a hard reset, and have to go looking for that tiny reset button only when I intend to power it down.. which is not very often.

Most of these changes can be done just by moving a few leads that plug into the Nemo board.

I may have some other case modifications in the works, maybe.

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