@OlafS25

i can name two, one of which is active here on aw.net plus a os4 impathizer not-user that insulted me and Paolone

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Well you spend for your passion, have nothing against it because you say "look at my machine" and put the accent on the machine;
however have against those that spend and say "look how much i spent for this" putting the accent on the expense rather than on the machine

Then there is the problem that to enter the os4 circle the expense before FE was not small ($600+ for a sam not to mention the x1000), but i considered FE the BEST marketing move by hyperion EVER because broke the price barrier

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@NutsAboutAmiga

No I do not think most here are "rich"

Vox even made high debts just to buy a X1000 (making debts for a hobby is crazy in my view anyway)

I only wrote what people say. I can remember people writing here in forum in discussions in opposite to you we can afford it. I think a little eltism is behind it and people also say we still keep the torch lighted for Amiga and all the "true and only successor" nonsense (my personal view). It seems at least for part of the community to be important.

@all
Please stop : ) 30th birthday of the true reason we are here is coming..
So shut up! Shame on you!!! : )
Take the hand to your right and say "Excuse me I am a idiot".

There is no Black and White.. 50 shades of grey at minimum. (My eyes are still bleeding - my wife forced me to watch this movie... thanks god i fall asleep )

Everyone shall use and be able to use whatever he likes to.
Don't try to convince anyone else by words.
Waste of time.
It holds you back from doing creative things

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@saimon69

You seem to be hurted by this. That is really unnecessary. For almost everyone out there they are the crazies because they spend that much money on a outdated hardware. So we have our favorite computers and ideas and they theirs. Next time you can post me if there is another discussion then I will bring some life in it :)

@saimon69

This has always been about the OS not about computer it runs on, I have only been able to pay for things, because I avoid bad loans, and pay my bills on time. I don't drive expensive car, I don't have a big house.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Sometimes we all are a little thinskinned like you seeing everyone "dancing on graves"

Obviously Saimon had some discussions with AmigaOS fans (not necessarily even using it) and was hurt so he developed negativity to everyone from the platform.

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@OlafS25

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and was hurt so he developed negativity to everyone from the platform.

I think NutsAboutAmiga knows that feeling.

@NutsAboutAmiga and @olafs25

Yes i am hurt, because for me Amiga was about people sitting together enjoying the machine and working together or doing the little rivalries like best mod file, best animation or best routine:

was not around during the red vs blue wars so when i came back and found the dismay of what was left has been disheartening: in my opinion the plitics above and the kind of people that i mentioned above are destroying the fun and splitting us more, at the end despite the OS version we all love to do stuff with our machines, cannot deny that.

Then for me the open source way is NOT about who wins, but about who got more chances to survive and thrive without all the IP and economy "artificial" barriers that hampered last fifteen years of amiga history, but the purpose is to come back to enjoy the hobby, without the money around, without the "want my os to have more then yours" BS, and so on.


Yes, am an idealist. Gotta carry my cross.

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@saimon69

that is real nonsense. Even if he is driving a expensive car and buying a expensive computer you do not know how many debts he made for it. And even if he could afford it because he had enough money you do not know how he got it. If he got it by family (getting a company, house...) it is not really somebody has to admire. I have more respect for people coming from difficult situation and mastering their life. Money is showing nothing. The more somebody spends the easier he seems to have earned it. Or got it just for nothing. In Germany showing money that way is not much respected (the opposite).

@OlafS25

Emotions do not follow logic, that is the problem :(

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@saimon69

I think I read such nonsense here in a discussion too and asked "where do you know my bank account" and "good for you". It is pure nonsense. The more you show that you feel hurt the more this kind of persons feel happy.

Simply forget it.

If there is no agreement then simply say that and stop. I also wrote in such discussions that we do not agree and better stop.

@saimon69

hmmm yes

But as I said THEY are the crazies for most people outside

And if it hurts you that someone has more money money does not say anything

A boss of a drug cartell has plenty of money but nobody would say he is a good guy

Money you simply get because you are born in a rich family is nothing to admire too. Spending money is nothing special too. Here are many people with small incomes who spend crazy amounts of money on their hobby. If they want they shall so as long as they are happy with it. I have different priorities but everybody his own.

im away for a half a day and return to read a three page slaughter! great job guys, keep it up.

just one remark on that bsd subject. it may be a great os, but without actually knowing it i doubt that from the user perspective it reminds amiga. as example: can you just copy your hard drive and stick it in another machine of the same architecture but different setup and it will work? i have not that impression with net bsd. its apparently problematic with os4. with genuine amiga it will usually need few tweaks but i have been doing it for years. it will definitely work with aros.

@saimon69

The Americans all were suddenly rich because they made debts on debts. They made new debts on the "value" their house had at a certain point of time. And with that new debts they bought other nice things like big cars. That worked up to the crash. Where do you know where this person gets his money? Perhaps he has lots of debts just to buy things to show. Nothing really I have any respect of. People that work hard to earn their money do not act this way.

@wawa

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just one remark on that bsd subject. it may be a great os, but without actually knowing it i doubt that from the user perspective it reminds amiga

It doesn't. BSD is not AmigaOS. It's UNIX, obviously, which from user's point of view is nothing like AmigaOS.

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can you just copy your hard drive and stick it in another machine of the same architecture but different setup and it will work?

As long as you are using GENERIC kernel (which is supposed to support all hardware configurations), yes, but...

In NetBSD terminology, you can do that if you stick it to another machine of the same "port". Architecture in NetBSD terminology is processor-related thing. So architecture is m68k, port is amiga.

You can install NetBSD/amiga on let's say A1200, then copy (dd) the disk, and put it in A4000. It will work.

Also, binaries of the same architecture are generally working just fine on other ports. So let's say you can compile a program on NetBSD/amiga and then run it on NetBSD/sun3 (or another m68k architecture port). The differences are in only kernels and boot loaders.

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@OlafS25

Actually most of those people with expensive cars are so called "welfare kings" mean they get welfare checks and other benefits due to their status of political refugees and due to "connections", but for me is not about the money per se, more about the fact that people give more importance to look rather than substance - to say am just a permanent resident so cannot have any of those stuff, hovewer am proud to bring food home with my work rather than rely on government.

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@saimon69

You are right there :)

@saimon69

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hovewer am proud to bring food home with my work rather than rely on government.

Both is possible if you are government employee.


Wait, you can get expensive cars as welfare benefits? Even socialist Europe looks like harsh capitalism in comparison.

@pavlor

not "as" but "with", however AFAIK they buy the car, get a loan, pay downpayment for the first year then they put an ad on craigslist with "take over my loan" to sell to someone else, rinse and repeat...

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