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cdimauro 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 5:18:53
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@amigadave

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amigadave wrote:
@lylehaze

Sounds like a Xena/\Xorro slot 32bit x86 bridgeboard would be a useful addition for creating other Xena/XMOS uses. If it were integrated as seamlessly, or even better, than the old Commodore and GoldenGate bridgeboards were for AmigaOS2.x & AmigaOS3.x, and it did not cost more than a regular x86 mobo, I'll bet that many X1000 & X5000 owners would consider buying one.

XCores are I/O chip, so they are pretty useless for the average user needs.

Why do you want to invest time and resources on such crappy stuff?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@cdimauro

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Why do you want to invest time and resources on such crappy stuff?

Because we aren't you...

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kolla 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 5:56:18
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@resle

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resle wrote:
@agami

[quote]
All modern operating systems are DOS based.



no.


Yes.[/quote]

What the heck do you mean with "DOS"? If you mean "disk operating system", I cannot think of any modern operating system that is DOS based. Not even modern Windows.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 6:33:12
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@cdimauro

I don't think you know what an "I/O chip" usually is, but an XCore is not that. There are things you can do with an XCore that is way beyond anything a normal MCU could do, far into FPGA territory. However, I personally would have liked it better if they had just put a smallish spare FPGA in there for playing around with.

The XCore is somewhat like the QuiccEngine of the PowerQuicc processors, including selected P and T series QorIQ members. In fact, I would go so far as to say it's EXACTLY like the QE. Except the QE comes with binary code only, because Freescale hasn't seen a market for letting most people write their own code.

I have about a ton of features wishes in products here at work that could fairly easily be solved by an XCore, but the Windows based development is really putting me off it.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 7:07:14
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@olegil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5eU8pHpy-c#t=21

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agami 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 7:21:06
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@kolla + @resle

Please don't confuse DOS as an OS framework and DOS as a product, e.g. MS-DOS, PC DOS, etc.

In the classification of computer control systems, the principles of DOS emerged well before any company started using the label. It was when the the Store function was moving away from sequential access on tape, to block addressable access on disk.

If we apply the biology classification tree: Kingdom > Phylum > Class > Order > Suborder > Family > Genus > Species, DOS principles go all the way back to Class level.

The operating systems that used the label DOS are a Family of operating systems, with AmigaDOS later Amiga OS and AmigaOS being Species.

I can't think of a modern operating system that doesn't belong to the same common Class of operating systems.

If you do know of any I would sincerely like to know.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@agami

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If we apply the biology classification tree: Kingdom > Phylum > Class > Order > Suborder > Family > Genus > Species [...]


you have to be the most obnoxious person ever to write on the Internet.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 7:50:12
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@BigD

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BigD wrote:

a lot of us don't want AmigaOS to go the same way as BeOS.


Ah yeah, the BeBox, the first and eventually fatal blow to BeOS

@AmigaDave

Sounds like the most brainfarted solution for a sympton of a problem that doesn't even exist for 99% of the users (thought about writing 99.9%, but that would have meant fracturing users ).

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agami 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 7:55:30
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@XMOSians

The XMOS tech is very cool, but unfortunately it is only half baked.

Throughout history there have been many cool pieces of new thinking expressed in silicon, most of them failed to live up to their full potential because the second half of the equation was left for someone else to solve.

Transmeta's Crusoe, IBM/Toshiba/Sony's Cell BE, and HP/intel's EPIC Itanium are good recent examples of silicon potential let down by poor tooling.

Like building an awesome house but not installing any doors or windows on the ground level. And I'm sure there are other analogies.

This is why often silicon which is inferior accomplishes the task quicker. The method might not be the most elegant but the tooling is so mature that a person can create an application very quickly.

In the motor industry there is an example of the standard piston and camshaft internal combustion engine which is found in most cars and trucks, and then there a more efficient engines like the rotary engine. It wasn't that long ago the regular internal combustion engine operated at 26% efficiency, and the Wankel rotary was operating at around the low 40s.

But given the amount of manufacturing pipeline and scale around the regular engine, the ability to solve efficiency problems has progressed much faster than in the world of the rotary where only a few manufacturers are still developing the technology. Today's 4-stroke, multi-valve, fuel injected, computer controlled internal combustion engine runs in the high 30s in terms of efficiency. The regular engine might not have solved the problems in the most elegant way and has become even more complex over the decades, but it solved the problem, and given the scale of manufacturing and global supply chains it has become even less expensive. Hmmm, that reminds me of another thing going on in our world

Coming back to my main point. XMOS will only be truly cool, when there are powerful and easy to use tools to leverage the power of the XMOS design. Until then, a programer who already uses a mature SDK and IDE will be able to just instruct the increasingly powerful CPU.

Delivery is everything.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 7:57:25
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@resle

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you have to be the most obnoxious person ever to write on the Internet.


Do I get some kind of award?

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Boot_WB 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 8:48:26
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@AmigaDave

Quote:
Kronos wrote:

@AmigaDave
Quote:
AmigaDave wrote:

Sounds like a Xena/\Xorro slot 32bit x86 bridgeboard would be a useful addition for creating other Xena/XMOS uses. If it were integrated as seamlessly, or even better, than the old Commodore and GoldenGate bridgeboards were for AmigaOS2.x & AmigaOS3.x, and it did not cost more than a regular x86 mobo, I'll bet that many X1000 & X5000 owners would consider buying one.


Sounds like the most brainfarted solution for a sympton of a problem that doesn't even exist for 99% of the users (thought about writing 99.9%, but that would have meant fracturing users ).


The original bridgeboards made sense before the days of home/small-office networks being the norm, remote applications such as synergy, vnc, remote desktop, etc, were around, and when folks were limited at best to 10Mbps network.. or serial/parallel links.. shudder!

These days: buy an x86 box, stick it in the spare room, and remote in by gigabit lan or wireless 54Mbps.. there's just no need for expensive, difficult to obtain/maintain/replace/upgrade bridgeboards.

EDIT: removed extraneous apostrophe /me looks balefully at autocorrect function.

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Boot_WB 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 8:54:17
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@agami

Quote:

agami wrote:
@resle

Quote:

you have to be the most obnoxious person ever to write on the Internet.


Do I get some kind of award?


Hyperion are looking for a new MD. Abilities to be obnoxious and to spout meaningless corporate aphorisms are considered to be advantageous for the post.

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TRIPOS 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 11:26:10
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@Kronos

Quote:

Kronos wrote:
@pavlor

Define "minimal" ....

If the XMOS was really added as an afterthought then it surely has added >100€ to the cost which IMO isn't "minimal" even in a 3000€ product.


It's not the cost of the added components and PCB complexity that's the main problem here, the biggest part of the X1000 cost - since it's only made in a few hundred units in total - surely comes from the per-unit-price of R&D (including testing) and this is where the "Xorro"/"Xena"/"Xmos" adds up the most. And this is even before the BOM is calculated.

I have never ever seen anyone who has managed to come up with a use for it at all, it offers nothing at all beyond PCI/PCI-E and USB. It's completely useless and completely worthless. The only thing it achieves is adding cost to an already crazy price.

And now they do it all over again with the X5000!

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TRIPOS 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 11:32:39
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@pavlor

Quote:

pavlor wrote:
@realize

All trolls are welcomed in this thread.


The only trolls I have seen in this thread is the handful of people who constantly spam it with "you are a troll" comments.


@sundown

Quote:

sundown wrote:
@Kronos

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Actually us "trolls" are the one that pointed out that most X1000-costumers have 0 use and very little interest in XMOS/Xorro making it an useless expense.

No, you trolls keep bringing up crap you know nothing about & posting it as facts. Trolls are experts on everything they've never used, thats the problem.


Kronos told the truth. The only thing the XMOS/Xorro thing has done for X1000 users, is making them poorer by draining their wallets more than necessary.

BTW, "Hate tends to make you look stupid..."

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TRIPOS 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 11:42:58
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@retro

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retro wrote:
@Kronos

If the XMOS was really added as an afterthought then it surely has added >100€ to the cost which IMO isn't "minimal" even in a 3000€ product.


stop talking like the price is 3000€, thease prices are unacceptable,dont give them any impresion that it will fly with thouse prices.. it out of porpotion...


http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=37_86&products_id=1071

X1000 system with

Accessories: None
Case: Black
Extra ports: None
GFX Card: Radeon HD R7 250 X
HDD: 1TB
Optical Drive: DVDRW
OS Installed: 4.1 Update 6

€3050 EUR excluding shipment.

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Rob 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 14:16:17
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@TRIPOS

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I have never ever seen anyone who has managed to come up with a use for it at all, it offers nothing at all beyond PCI/PCI-E and USB. It's completely useless and completely worthless. The only thing it achieves is adding cost to an already crazy price.


A catweasle like floppy controller, ports legacy for joysticks and other input devices, MIDI, LCD controller etc. All things that you can probably do with USB or a PCI card but if you could have them all on one board that requires fewer support chips it could make sense. Of course, it would only be only be worthwhile if it work out cheaper and you had use for a number of different features.

Giving it access to the PCI-e bus also allows the possibility to interact directly with other devices such as the video card or sound card which could have some interesting possibilities.

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 14:21:27
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@TRIPOS

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The only trolls I have seen in this thread is the handful of people who constantly spam it with "you are a troll" comments.


Only thanks to all these dedicated personalities this thread is still alive!

Well done all involved! Keep up good work, our next goal is really close...

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 14:25:21
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@cdimauro

Quote:
On the contrary, that's quite an unfair comparison.


Comparing MorphOS/AmigaOS to Risc OS, MiNT or BeOS/Haiku?

I don´t share your interpretation of my opinion (as usual).

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 14:37:50
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@TRIPOS

Quote:

TRIPOS wrote:
@retro

Quote:

retro wrote:
@Kronos

If the XMOS was really added as an afterthought then it surely has added >100€ to the cost which IMO isn't "minimal" even in a 3000€ product.


stop talking like the price is 3000€, thease prices are unacceptable,dont give them any impresion that it will fly with thouse prices.. it out of porpotion...


http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=37_86&products_id=1071

X1000 system with

Accessories: None
Case: Black
Extra ports: None
GFX Card: Radeon HD R7 250 X
HDD: 1TB
Optical Drive: DVDRW
OS Installed: 4.1 Update 6

€3050 EUR excluding shipment.

Gawd its such an insane price.

When I bought my BVision and the 68060 card with a PPC co-processor back in 1998 I paid about the same as a Pentium II machine costed at the time...

(edit: Pentium II not III. Its just to check with the Wayback Machine)

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 14:39:40
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@Rob

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