@Robert

the question can nobody answer right know. From what we know right now they were declared bankrupt by court and now a attorney appointed by court is controlling Hyperion. Ben H. says it was a mistake by a service provider not delivering him the informations so it was a kind of accident but "no real problem" and they will go against it and need some time. From what I have read about bankruptsy in belgium it is possible for creditors to show up at the appointed attorney, that will give a report to court and then they will decide (mid march?). So if it is just a accident like Ben. H. says and no problem or become a big problem will depend on creditors, appointed attorney and court. We will know in a couple of weeks.

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Ah, OK.

Thanks.

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@Robert

The 2 pieces of factual information are;

1. Hyperion have been declared bankrupt.

2. They are appealing against the decision.

Everything else is in this thread is speculation, opinion and non relevant fluff.

Basically it's a case off waiting to see if Hyperion's appeal is successful or not. This may take some months.

edit.

Missed this last page and didn't see Olaf had answered your question already.

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Bit of both. Hyperion's bankruptcy is the most exciting output from the company in years!

I wouldn't call that 'person' purposely joining this website, coming on here and gobbing off with a string of obscenities a lot of sense, nor would I call Hyperion's bankruptcy their best output after the hard work put in on OS4 by developers.

But what ever floats your boat, I gave you more credit than that.

Rude!

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nor would I call Hyperion's bankruptcy their best output after the hard work put in on OS4 by developers.

but honestly, have you expected the life support can go like that forever? sooner or later the investments are lost anyway. contributors and customers should have been aware of this in advance.

@wawa

No not expected it could go on forever, I'm just not celebrating the fact they've seemingly hit the wall that's all. I hope, whatever the outcome, it's a favorable one for all parties.

Rude!

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@Robert The 2 pieces of factual information are; 1. Hyperion have been declared bankrupt. 2. They are appealing against the decision. Everything else is in this thread is speculation, opinion and non relevant fluff.

one source

See post #510 for clarification.

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I hope, whatever the outcome, it's a favorable one for all parties.

what would that favourable outcome be? hope is fine and good, but best is to cover your back while hoping.

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wawa wrote: @Rudei Quote: I hope, whatever the outcome, it's a favorable one for all parties. what would that favourable outcome be? hope is fine and good, but best is to cover your back while hoping.

Well the favorable outcome is all down to the individual. What my favorable outcome is will likely be different to others. At this point, I'd argue that a favorable outcome in the short term is that the OS rights are secured and development continues. But some will argue with even that.

As to medium and longer term favorable outcomes, the likelihood of disagreement between individuals on a favorable outcome will differ more radically I've no doubt (i.e. development path, architecture, OS direction etc.)

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After getting what I believe is a better translation:

(1)Filing (claims) to be filed by February 26, 2015

(2)March 4. 2015 is Date of deposition of initial report for verification of said claims by the curator.

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seems a bit inconsequent.
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Well the favorable outcome is all down to the individual. What my favorable outcome is will likely be different to others.

are you not contradicting your previous post:

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I hope, whatever the outcome, it's a favorable one for all parties.

i for my part dont know what favourable outcome would be. i rather think there wont be any difference, its all just a coffee shop talk, while at something else.

@wawa

How so? (in regards to suggesting rudei is contradicting himself).
It's entirely possible to have a personal preference and still hope for a favourable outcome for others.

Not sure if it's a coincidence, deliberate, or simply telling, but your inadvertent response there kind of pinpoints one of the biggest problems in the amiga community,....... the inability of people involved to see beyond their own nose.
It is (or rather should be) possible to have personal preferences while wishing others the best as well.

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It is (or rather should be) possible to have personal preferences while wishing others the best as well.

+1

I would say that was essential for the survival of the human race, let alone some obscure computing platform!

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+1, not worth the time or energy to respond to obvious trolling attempts especially new accounts that were created for that sole purpose

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hmm you posted the same nonsense a few times in this thread so I'm hoping it's your attempt at sarcasm or baiting

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@fishy_fis

so, once again, what is a favourable outcome for us all to wish for?

@wawa

That you leave and never come back?

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broadblues wrote: @wawa That you leave and never come back?

Ouch! That's harsh. How about that the PPC and 68k AmigaOS can move forward together with cooperation. More AmigaOS development will benefit everyone. More 68k users would move up to or own a PPC Amiga if the API was more similar and they were attracted with honey instead of vinegar.

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Ouch! That's harsh.

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How about that the PPC and 68k AmigaOS can move forward together with cooperation. More AmigaOS development will benefit everyone.

Sounds good to me, if we all played nicely together, and if not together then didn't keep fighting over forgetten principles

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More 68k users would move up to or own a PPC Amiga if the API was more similar and they were attracted with honey instead of vinegar.

The AmigaOS 4.x API is a superset of the 3.x API just as the 3.x was of 2.x etc etc.

The new APIs are a lot easier to code with (despite what OlafS would like people to believe)

The issue is backporting stuff to 68k not the other way round.

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I wouldn't call that 'person' purposely joining this website, coming on here and gobbing off with a string of obscenities a lot of sense, nor would I call Hyperion's bankruptcy their best output after the hard work put in on OS4 by developers. But what ever floats your boat, I gave you more credit than that. Rude!

Look, the devs I have no issue with but Ben Hermans goes on like a demigod and tries to maintain he is the way the truth and the light for Amiga, yet how many lines of code has he offered up? If Hyperion wasn't there, trying to profit from other people's hard work whilst withholding any payment that's not cool. He is not cool.

Best outcome is OS4 becomes abandonware or someone buys the IP and gives it away as an open source project. Any aspirations of a commercially successful product are long gone IMO.

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broadblues wrote: The AmigaOS 4.x API is a superset of the 3.x API just as the 3.x was of 2.x etc etc. The new APIs are a lot easier to code with (despite what OlafS would like people to believe) The issue is backporting stuff to 68k not the other way round.

Yes, most of the problem is backporting and maintaining compatibility using a bunch of pre-processor conditional statements which make C sources less readable and maintenance a pain. Look no further than AWeb and probably now PPaint. I've been helping Chris Young debug his backport of NetSurf also where many of the bugs end up in freezes or MuForce hits deep in the OS, often from missing or different API functionality, making them difficult to debug. It would be so much easier if the 68k classic version of the AmigaOS was allowed to continue development, with or without the AmigaOS 4 sources. The first things to add after bug fixes would be changes to the APIs to improve compatibilitiy with other Amiga operating systems. It looks like Warp3D might be headed to the 68k AmigaOS again which would improve compatibility between AmigaOS 4 and 3. Backporting Reaction would be another good candidate before MUI takes over all other Amiga operating systems. There is too much development time wasted by the fragmented Amiga APIs. I imagine it's a nightmare when developers from outside the Amiga community research porting their programs to the Amiga. I guess we will see what A-Eon does now that they have a little more influence (perhaps from their bailout?). They seem to be more 68k AmigaOS friendly.