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Massi 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 15:05:35
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@Boot_WB

Well OK advocate
I didn' t see those legal papers ...

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Boot_WB

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The "Amiga" trademark has, in fact, been spectacularly divorced


No doubt to avoid brand confusion that might affect sales at Amiga Inc. with their "selling like hotcakes" modern product, the 300/1200 baud modem. (evil grin)

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Massi

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You are welcome to correct me, if I am wrong.

you have already complained about things being openly said, when they dont fit your interpretation, so i doubt you really welcome it.

as for os4 being "official", just some food for consideration, (except that this is rather lame burgeois argument), what does this "officiality" consist of apart of that a lot of effort has been put into insisting on it? it has been claimed to be based on genuine sources or to be "almost complete rewrite" depending what was most suitable for argumentation at the given moment. its hard to judge, sine it is closed source, so except you are a core developer, you cant actually know, except for what others told you. os4 and its hardware cant be branded "amiga" but try very hard to make it look like they were, even if everybody knows better, dont you find it silly? the propertary situation of the genuine sources and os4 is not very clear to say the least. we are informed that hyperion has some licenses to distribute, which will be void as soon as they get liquidated. wanna see you then defending amiga.inc again as "official amiga". ;)

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Massi

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I didn' t see those legal papers ...


yet you state your opinion on something as fact. if you start nitpicking on something you need to be ready to get corrected. if you feel you are using an "amiga" if you use os4 on some ppc motherboard in a pc case, then its fine. just dont tell everybody, how is he supposed to view it.

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Massi 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 15:17:54
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@wawa

OK no problem.

As a software developer my focus is actually on the operating system OS4 ... forgive me if I am not really into the "gossip" ... fortunately I prefer tech stuff

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Massi

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Massi wrote:
@Boot_WB

Well OK advocate


There's no need to be insulting...

(/humour, just in case the language barrier prevails)

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I didn' t see those legal papers ...


http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/washington/wawdce/2:2007cv00631/143245/148/1.html

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 15:27:16
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@itix

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X1000 is not an Amiga.


Of course, it is AmigaOne.

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 15:34:10
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@Boot_WB

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The "Amiga" trademark has, in fact, been spectacularly divorced from the "AmigaOS" trademark as part of Hyperion's pyrrhic victory/settlement agreement in the Amiga Inc vs Hyperion courtcase. (Well done Ben)


Amiga.Inc never granted to Eyetech or Hyperion sole "Amiga" trademark. So I wouldn´t call it "divorce" of Amiga and AmigaOS trademarks. Amiga.Inc is still legal source of AmigaOS trademark for Hyperion.

Today, AmigaOne is only Amiga branded computer hardware available for sale. It is probably most successful new Amiga product since the fall of Commodore.

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@wawa

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as for os4 being "official", just some food for consideration, (except that this is rather lame burgeois argument), what does this "officiality" consist of apart of that a lot of effort has been put into insisting on it?


Only AmigaOS can claim this heritage.

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wanna see you then defending amiga.inc again as "official amiga"


I´m defending Amiga.Inc as "official amiga" all the day, but I´m last remaining loyal Amiga.Inc supporter here.

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Massi 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 15:39:36
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@Boot_WB

OK thanks for the link.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 15:49:58
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@pavlor

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I'm defending Amiga.Inc as "official amiga" all the day, but I'm last remaining loyal Amiga.Inc supporter here.


I believe...no I'm sure any talk about Amiga Inc. has been relegated to the back pages of AW, for good reason.

However, if you require a place to explain your continued support of this "company", might I suggest:

[Poll] Should Amiga inc pay former employees?

or we could go further off-topic by linking to all the other reported fraud, scams, and illegal activity if you like. Keep in mind I'll only have a few hours today to supply those links.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 15:58:36
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[Poll] Should Amiga inc pay former employees?


I don´t like thread necromancy.


As I see, linnar did more than enough to "support" our parent company. Few years ago, there were 3 Amiga.Inc supporters (me, linnar and Wildskar128). Linnar later strongly supported CommodoreUSA and disappeared after their failure. Whereabouts of Wildskar128 are unknown.

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or we could go further off-topic by linking to all the other reported fraud, scams, and illegal activity if you like. Keep in mind I'll only have a few hours today to supply those links.


As you know, I never disputed known facts about Amiga.Inc. Still I take my time to defend Amiga.Inc and Bill McEwen where possible (for reason I told you already).

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OlafS25 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 16:01:35
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@Massi

perhaps we agree that it is the fastest hardware to run AmigaOS software not the "fastest hardware" to run Amiga software

And the topic "official successor" that seems so important to AmigaOS users... if it makes happy then be it. Outside noone cares anyway and the AROS, MorphOS and 68k users do not care either so we should let you the fun there

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@pavlor

the "heritage" was so rammed in the ground over the years that it is not important anymore

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OlafS25 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@pavlor

hmmm then you are the last of its kind?

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 16:06:12
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@OlafS25

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the "heritage" was so rammed in the ground over the years that it is not important anymore


Heritage in linked video means direct source code lineage. Something "clones" can only dream about.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 16:08:08
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@pavlor

why should they dream of if they are better than the original

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Massi 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 16:08:57
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@OlafS25

Sure that you don' t care ... ? Maybe a little bit?

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wawa 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 16:11:08
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@pavlor

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Only AmigaOS can claim this heritage.


as i say everything possible has been done to suggest os4 is a successor to amiga, compiling lists including os4 developers amidst the genuine amiga developers, barely readable video presentations claiming the continuity, which probably would look rather alike if anybody bothered to do similar with aros or morphos. well, i even remember some claim morphos was based on the same genuine sources. which then may have made it as official, or what? because the "official" os4 owners had to go to court to secure what seems to be just a license to distribute a product derivative from amiga, which the alternatives certainly are as well in this or another sense.

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OlafS25 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Massi

maybe a little bit but it will certainly not decide the future (if there is any)

and I do not think that "heritage" is enough to sell new hardware

and BTW Amiga is for me A500, A600, A1000, A1200 and A4000 with 68k processors not PPC

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